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Markiv13

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Saikie said :
e^(i*pi)+1=0, or for all you Tau enthusiasts, e^(i*tau)=1.

My favourite mathematical proof.
Claim: There exists irrationals x and y such that x^y is rational.
Proof: Consider sqrt(2)^sqrt(2). Now sqrt(2)^sqrt(2) must either be rational or irrational.
If sqrt(2)^sqrt(2) is rational we are done (in this case
x=sqrt(2)
and
y=sqrt(2)
).
If sqrt(2)^sqrt(2) is irrational, then (sqrt(2)^sqrt(2))^sqrt(2)=2 and we are done (in this case
x=sqrt(2)^sqrt(2)
and
y=sqrt(2)
).


I think this can be done (though non-constructively) with a cardinality argument. Pick a positive rational number r, and suppose there aren't any irrationals a and b such that a^b = r. This is to say that r^(1/b) would have to be rational if b is irrational. But this is a monotone map from an (uncountable) set of irrational number to a (countable) set of rational numbers, which is a contradiction.

19-Aug-2016 04:46:42

Jenny Smith

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So here is some old af beam problems I pulled out from under my couch specifically for this thread...because I srsly keep old structures stuff from years ago under my couch:




I don't even remember wtf this relates to, so don't even ask, but lol beams.
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19-Aug-2016 06:36:59

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Ian Bremmer mathematically demonstrated that countries transitioning from authoritarian regimes to democracies are generally very unstable. However, if those governments successfully become full fledged democracies, then they will be more stable than authoritarian regimes in the long term.

19-Aug-2016 06:51:23 - Last edited on 19-Aug-2016 06:52:44 by Clausewitz85

Jenny Smith

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And yet another old af beam problem from under the couch:

There was a time when my life was nothing but beams, then I clicked a beam in a poorly pixelated game...and my life was still beams.

O, and the one non-beam problem I find, ofc I spilt coffee all over back in the day:

The answer to that was 34.2hp btw (I didn't feel like scanning off one line on the back).
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19-Aug-2016 08:11:52 - Last edited on 19-Aug-2016 08:16:54 by Jenny Smith

Saikie

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Markiv13 said :
Saikie said :
e^(i*pi)+1=0, or for all you Tau enthusiasts, e^(i*tau)=1.

My favourite mathematical proof.
Claim: There exists irrationals x and y such that x^y is rational.
Proof: Consider sqrt(2)^sqrt(2). Now sqrt(2)^sqrt(2) must either be rational or irrational.
If sqrt(2)^sqrt(2) is rational we are done (in this case
x=sqrt(2)
and
y=sqrt(2)
).
If sqrt(2)^sqrt(2) is irrational, then (sqrt(2)^sqrt(2))^sqrt(2)=2 and we are done (in this case
x=sqrt(2)^sqrt(2)
and
y=sqrt(2)
).


I think this can be done (though non-constructively) with a cardinality argument. Pick a positive rational number r, and suppose there aren't any irrationals a and b such that a^b = r. This is to say that r^(1/b) would have to be rational if b is irrational. But this is a monotone map from an (uncountable) set of irrational number to a (countable) set of rational numbers, which is a contradiction.


I think you mean a bijective map :) but I agree with your proof. It's a nice proof by contradiction but I like mine because I find it elegant and I like sqrt(2) :P .
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19-Aug-2016 15:34:32

Markiv13

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Actually "monotone" suffices, since monotone maps are injective, and you can't even have and injective map from an uncountable set to a countable one. But yeah, all the same bijectivity would do it too. The cardinality approach is what came to mind first since that seemed more intuitive, but I agree the sqrt(2) proof is sick (and constructive!)

19-Aug-2016 18:12:38 - Last edited on 19-Aug-2016 18:12:57 by Markiv13

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Someone has probably already caught this, but I not going to read through all 30 pages to find out. Unlike out intrepid poster thought on page 1 last post, H20 (the 2 being small and at the bottom right of the H, is the molecular make up of the water molecule.

2 Hydrogen atoms bound to 1 Oxygen atom.

Using electrolysis H2O can be broken down into hydrogen and Oxygen, captured and burned again to form water once more.


Did you know that seaweed from the deepest parts of the ocean can convert 99% of any sunlight that reaches it? Far more efficient that its land brethren



IN a Guinness book of world records show, someone once presented a vial they said was the most powerful scent in the world and asked the audience to put up their hand when they smelt it, when the stopper was taken out...

Half of the audience put up their hands. How many could realy smell it? Who knows? But the vial contained distilled water (scentless). It was an exercise in the senses being fooled by the power of suggestion. :O



Did you know your vision has a refresh rate just like a monitor? For short moments your sight is offline while the brain processes a 'frame'. The proof? try the blurring of vision cornering on fast rollercoasters, the scene is changing faster than your 'refresh rate'. Only the central part of your vision is in "high definition", colour being far more complicated to process means compromises in how we see. What we are focused on is rendered in 'high detail' while the outer segment involves a lot of low detail, blurred colour, indistinguishable words ect. To top if off the brain also compromises even in the focused part of our vision, by rendering "what it expects to see" and that is how and why camouflage and 'blending in' works! O_o
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19-Aug-2016 18:36:25 - Last edited on 19-Aug-2016 20:34:12 by Solanumtinkr

Saikie

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Ah yes, I completely forgot monotone maps were injective. I can see why you mentioned monotone now as the contradiction is then implied. I'm more of an algebra guy than an analysis guy :P .

Anyways, thanks for the clever proof!
Beauty is the first test: there is no permanent place in the world for ugly mathematics
-G.H. Hardy

19-Aug-2016 23:36:00 - Last edited on 19-Aug-2016 23:39:25 by Saikie

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