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FiFi LaFeles
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NexOrigin said :
FiFi LaFeles said :
Nah, you're alright. I'd rather excavate my eyeballs with a soup spoon than watch any more of this tripe. I don't believe you've actually watched any of them.
I mean, you claimed Blind Justice was showing up with groups of friends... so clearly you're not actually watching the videos. lol.
I don't know - any more than you do - if some/all of the vids have a group of people lurking around out of camera shot. Do you? Were you there? Were shots of additional people carefully edited out? I watch these kinds of videos ALL the time. Audits are one of the main type of videos I watch. I've watched enough Blind Justice videos to know that this blind, disabled, veteran is not out there trying "fool people". What would be the point? Hmmm?
FiFi LaFeles said :
Do you know how easy it is for film footage to be manipulated by someone with a modicum of knowledge in that medium? Do you believe to be true everything that's being portrayed in the vids because you want to believe it? How many of Blind Justice's videos have you watched? How many auditing videos have you watched in full? Any at all?
FiFi LaFeles said :
You can ask "Show me, show me, show me ...." as many times as you like but if people are tinkering with their 'evidence of rights breaches' then that's rather difficult, don't you think? You show me they are not? You're making the claims that fraudulent behavior is afoot. The onus is on you to prove it's true, not on me to prove it's not true. The burden of evidence is on you, since you're the one making the claims, not on me. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
NexOrigin said :
FiFi LaFeles said :
Nah, you're alright. I'd rather excavate my eyeballs with a soup spoon than watch any more of this tripe. I don't believe you've actually watched any of them.
I mean, you claimed Blind Justice was showing up with groups of friends... so clearly you're not actually watching the videos. lol.
I don't know - any more than you do - if some/all of the vids have a group of people lurking around out of camera shot. Do you? Were you there? Were shots of additional people carefully edited out? I watch these kinds of videos ALL the time. Audits are one of the main type of videos I watch. I've watched enough Blind Justice videos to know that this blind, disabled, veteran is not out there trying "fool people". What would be the point? Hmmm?
FiFi LaFeles said :
Do you know how easy it is for film footage to be manipulated by someone with a modicum of knowledge in that medium? Do you believe to be true everything that's being portrayed in the vids because you want to believe it? How many of Blind Justice's videos have you watched? How many auditing videos have you watched in full? Any at all?
FiFi LaFeles said :
You can ask "Show me, show me, show me ...." as many times as you like but if people are tinkering with their 'evidence of rights breaches' then that's rather difficult, don't you think? You show me they are not? You're making the claims that fraudulent behavior is afoot. The onus is on you to prove it's true, not on me to prove it's not true. The burden of evidence is on you, since you're the one making the claims, not on me. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
05-Mar-2021 15:06:27
FiFi LaFeles
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The whole genre of Audit is riddled with people who deliberately cause confrontational, sensationalist encounters in order to cause drama and put themselves - THEMSELVES, not issues, into the limelight. I've proven that there are people who don't do that, auditors who take their role as an auditor and a journalist seriously, and I've mentioned a few. Obviously there are bad apples in any profession, but, are you seriously going to judge every single one of them based on your very limited knowledge of a few? You know that's called prejudice, right? Didn't your parents teach you that prejudice is wrong, and that you shouldn't discriminate based on prejudice? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
The whole genre of Audit is riddled with people who deliberately cause confrontational, sensationalist encounters in order to cause drama and put themselves - THEMSELVES, not issues, into the limelight. I've proven that there are people who don't do that, auditors who take their role as an auditor and a journalist seriously, and I've mentioned a few. Obviously there are bad apples in any profession, but, are you seriously going to judge every single one of them based on your very limited knowledge of a few? You know that's called prejudice, right? Didn't your parents teach you that prejudice is wrong, and that you shouldn't discriminate based on prejudice? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
05-Mar-2021 15:09:52
FiFi LaFeles
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Like - this blind guy. In his vid compilation the voice-over drizzles on about Statute this, and Byelaw that .... doubtless he's spouting these at unprepared and startled low-level staff who have been stridently approached by this unannounced, film-maker (and this cronies). Yeah, it's almost like... he does his research before he goes into the field... you know... like any real journalist would?
Do you not know what your rights are as a citizen? Do you not look up laws that pertain to your everyday life? Or do you just assume that you know what the laws are?
If I asked you which laws laws permit you to defend yourself from an attacker, would you not know which law, statute, or legislation gives you that right? Or do you just float through life not actually knowing what your rights are, or what the law says?
FiFi LaFeles said :
No one likes to be blindsided by someone aggressively demanding their rights on this or that. No one likes to be suddenly backfooted. But he (and others) do it anyway because they KNOW it will provoke a negative reaction, a defensive action, that they can film and get the 'Like' button clicking. No on likes to have their rights violated, but, you're advocating for the people who are violating rights. LOL.
If someone is violating your rights, whether they know they are or not, isn't it important to educate that person, so they aren't violating the rights of citizens in the future? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
Like - this blind guy. In his vid compilation the voice-over drizzles on about Statute this, and Byelaw that .... doubtless he's spouting these at unprepared and startled low-level staff who have been stridently approached by this unannounced, film-maker (and this cronies). Yeah, it's almost like... he does his research before he goes into the field... you know... like any real journalist would?
Do you not know what your rights are as a citizen? Do you not look up laws that pertain to your everyday life? Or do you just assume that you know what the laws are?
If I asked you which laws laws permit you to defend yourself from an attacker, would you not know which law, statute, or legislation gives you that right? Or do you just float through life not actually knowing what your rights are, or what the law says?
FiFi LaFeles said :
No one likes to be blindsided by someone aggressively demanding their rights on this or that. No one likes to be suddenly backfooted. But he (and others) do it anyway because they KNOW it will provoke a negative reaction, a defensive action, that they can film and get the 'Like' button clicking. No on likes to have their rights violated, but, you're advocating for the people who are violating rights. LOL.
If someone is violating your rights, whether they know they are or not, isn't it important to educate that person, so they aren't violating the rights of citizens in the future? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
05-Mar-2021 15:16:58
FiFi LaFeles
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If he believes he's being disadvantaged the sensible route would be to contact the relevant bodies by letter setting out his rights and where they appear in Law and telling said body what his requirements are. Thus, giving people a chance to calmly fact check his claims and his rights and an opportunity to arrange provision of his needs. And there's the proof that you don't watch the videos, because you're advocating that he shouldn't be doing audits the way he does, and then outline how you believe he should be conducting himself, completely oblivious to the fact that what you're advocating for, is exactly what he does.
Weird how that works, eh? Like, imagine that, the thing you say he should do, is the thing that he does, but, you're not actually interested in that, you're only interested in arguing against auditors for the sake of arguing, not because you don't agree with what they're doing, since your advice on how Mike should conduct himself... is exactly what Mike does. That's exactly what many of the auditors do. The whole point of auditing is to ensure that everyone, including the general public, are aware of the rights of all citizens.
FiFi LaFeles said :
But oh no. That wouldn't make good clickbait vids would it, for similar minds to drool over and shout about and express their moral outrage. You realize that most of the people who watch these videos specifically ASK the auditors to include the videos where nothing significant happens, right? Of course you don't realize that, because you don't actually watch these types of videos, or engage in these communities, do you?
FiFi LaFeles said :
Frankly, I'm shocked that you haven't managed to scratch the surface and see these people for what they actually are. Subversives. Agitators of civil unrest. Narcissists. Because you believe that standing in public, quietly filming is "civil unrest"? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
If he believes he's being disadvantaged the sensible route would be to contact the relevant bodies by letter setting out his rights and where they appear in Law and telling said body what his requirements are. Thus, giving people a chance to calmly fact check his claims and his rights and an opportunity to arrange provision of his needs. And there's the proof that you don't watch the videos, because you're advocating that he shouldn't be doing audits the way he does, and then outline how you believe he should be conducting himself, completely oblivious to the fact that what you're advocating for, is exactly what he does.
Weird how that works, eh? Like, imagine that, the thing you say he should do, is the thing that he does, but, you're not actually interested in that, you're only interested in arguing against auditors for the sake of arguing, not because you don't agree with what they're doing, since your advice on how Mike should conduct himself... is exactly what Mike does. That's exactly what many of the auditors do. The whole point of auditing is to ensure that everyone, including the general public, are aware of the rights of all citizens.
FiFi LaFeles said :
But oh no. That wouldn't make good clickbait vids would it, for similar minds to drool over and shout about and express their moral outrage. You realize that most of the people who watch these videos specifically ASK the auditors to include the videos where nothing significant happens, right? Of course you don't realize that, because you don't actually watch these types of videos, or engage in these communities, do you?
FiFi LaFeles said :
Frankly, I'm shocked that you haven't managed to scratch the surface and see these people for what they actually are. Subversives. Agitators of civil unrest. Narcissists. Because you believe that standing in public, quietly filming is "civil unrest"? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
05-Mar-2021 15:25:00
Rooh
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As much as I dislike these people who's sole ambition seems to be to try to make others look bad... You can't make someone look bad on camera. Only the person engaging on camera can make themselves look good or bad. If you look bad on camera, that's your own doing, not the result of the guy who is holding the camera.
Rooh said :
banning them would be giving them exactly what they want Banning them would mean that public photography is a crime.
Think about it.
You want to criminalize the act of public photography. You want to make it illegal to test one's liberties.
The true test of liberty is the right to test it.
If it's illegal to test your liberties, then you have no liberties.
Rooh said :
I'll have to admit I haven't watched a huge amount of them, mainly because they annoy me. Funny how that's becoming a trend here. People who don't watch the videos claiming that they know what the videos are about. LOL
Rooh said :
Yes, certain professions should perhaps be audited... but by qualified people, not a smartass with a phone camera trying to prove how clever they are and get Youtube "likes". "Sorry sir, you can't film in public, you're not qualified to have rights".
LOL.
Do you honestly believe that someone needs to be "qualified" somehow to engage in their constitutional rights? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
As much as I dislike these people who's sole ambition seems to be to try to make others look bad... You can't make someone look bad on camera. Only the person engaging on camera can make themselves look good or bad. If you look bad on camera, that's your own doing, not the result of the guy who is holding the camera.
Rooh said :
banning them would be giving them exactly what they want Banning them would mean that public photography is a crime.
Think about it.
You want to criminalize the act of public photography. You want to make it illegal to test one's liberties.
The true test of liberty is the right to test it.
If it's illegal to test your liberties, then you have no liberties.
Rooh said :
I'll have to admit I haven't watched a huge amount of them, mainly because they annoy me. Funny how that's becoming a trend here. People who don't watch the videos claiming that they know what the videos are about. LOL
Rooh said :
Yes, certain professions should perhaps be audited... but by qualified people, not a smartass with a phone camera trying to prove how clever they are and get Youtube "likes". "Sorry sir, you can't film in public, you're not qualified to have rights".
LOL.
Do you honestly believe that someone needs to be "qualified" somehow to engage in their constitutional rights? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
05-Mar-2021 15:35:39
Stoat King
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I think this is going to be something that is markedly different in the US to the UK. 100% agree. I would not recommend being an auditor in the UK. That's just jail time waiting to happen. There are too many loose laws that can be applied to anyone at any time in order to jail them in the UK. If you're auditing in the UK, you're probably getting arrested for things like "civil unrest" and "causing a breach of the peace" etc.
Stoat King said :
In the US, you have the first amendment. Indeed, if you google this, you will more often than not find it described as 'First Amendment Auditing'. So there is a clear reason to believe that this is a right in the US. There are also 4th Amendment Audits (Solo Yaker, Tom Zebra, as well as a few other do these types of audits sometimes), but they aren't aren't as common. 4th amendment is the right to bear arms, for those who didn't know.
Stoat King said :
Your problem is going to be from the public.
I have never lived anywhere in the UK where this would not be seen as an overt hostile act. And depending on where you are, it would range from 'unwise' through 'asking for trouble' to 'taking your life in your hands'. This is what I don't understand from all the Karen's in the world... if you're in public, you're already on camera... several cameras... why do they take issue with an additional camera simply because it's in someone's hand, and not mounted to a wall?
I'll never understand people in public who walk up to a camera and demand that the person stop filming them. Like, for starters, you're in public, you have no expectation of privacy. Secondly, if you don't want to be filmed, don't make a commotion when someone's filming, and don't walk up to the camera and start talking.
When video cameras were first publicly available, people used to wave and yell things like "Hi mom!". Weird how it changes. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
I think this is going to be something that is markedly different in the US to the UK. 100% agree. I would not recommend being an auditor in the UK. That's just jail time waiting to happen. There are too many loose laws that can be applied to anyone at any time in order to jail them in the UK. If you're auditing in the UK, you're probably getting arrested for things like "civil unrest" and "causing a breach of the peace" etc.
Stoat King said :
In the US, you have the first amendment. Indeed, if you google this, you will more often than not find it described as 'First Amendment Auditing'. So there is a clear reason to believe that this is a right in the US. There are also 4th Amendment Audits (Solo Yaker, Tom Zebra, as well as a few other do these types of audits sometimes), but they aren't aren't as common. 4th amendment is the right to bear arms, for those who didn't know.
Stoat King said :
Your problem is going to be from the public.
I have never lived anywhere in the UK where this would not be seen as an overt hostile act. And depending on where you are, it would range from 'unwise' through 'asking for trouble' to 'taking your life in your hands'. This is what I don't understand from all the Karen's in the world... if you're in public, you're already on camera... several cameras... why do they take issue with an additional camera simply because it's in someone's hand, and not mounted to a wall?
I'll never understand people in public who walk up to a camera and demand that the person stop filming them. Like, for starters, you're in public, you have no expectation of privacy. Secondly, if you don't want to be filmed, don't make a commotion when someone's filming, and don't walk up to the camera and start talking.
When video cameras were first publicly available, people used to wave and yell things like "Hi mom!". Weird how it changes. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
05-Mar-2021 15:47:29
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