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Aeroxmaster
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no one's saying that public photography should be banned. Yes they are: Dong U Dead said :
It shouldn't be allowed.
Aeroxmaster said :
I think it's obvious that a number of auditors deliberately audit to look for a reaction. Or a lack of a reaction. I mean, the objective is to test the ability to engage in public photography without having your rights violated. It's a good day when your rights aren't violated, even as an auditor.
Aeroxmaster said :
often times auditors aren't always polite about this Often times auditors aren't treated politely either. It's a two way street. If you're throwing someone on the ground and physically assaulting them because they have a camera... that's not really polite either.
Aeroxmaster said :
If someone asked them to later delete the footage / image because they didn't ask first to record them, most auditors wouldn't delete the footage / image "just because they don't have to" from my understanding Can you imagine someone coming up to you at Disneyland, and telling you that they were in the background of the photo you took earlier, so you have to delete it.
Would you delete it because you didn't ask everyone else at Disneyland for permission to take pictures?
If you caught someone breaking the law on camera, and they asked you to delete it, would you delete it because you didn't ask for permission first?
Aeroxmaster said :
Same goes with them refusing to identify themselves to law enforcement when they are seen in the act of auditing... If you're not required to provide ID, then why would you?
If an officer asked you to do a headstand, would you do it, simply because they asked?
Unless you live somewhere that "Paper, please" is legal, then why would you hand over your papers just because they asked? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
no one's saying that public photography should be banned. Yes they are: Dong U Dead said :
It shouldn't be allowed.
Aeroxmaster said :
I think it's obvious that a number of auditors deliberately audit to look for a reaction. Or a lack of a reaction. I mean, the objective is to test the ability to engage in public photography without having your rights violated. It's a good day when your rights aren't violated, even as an auditor.
Aeroxmaster said :
often times auditors aren't always polite about this Often times auditors aren't treated politely either. It's a two way street. If you're throwing someone on the ground and physically assaulting them because they have a camera... that's not really polite either.
Aeroxmaster said :
If someone asked them to later delete the footage / image because they didn't ask first to record them, most auditors wouldn't delete the footage / image "just because they don't have to" from my understanding Can you imagine someone coming up to you at Disneyland, and telling you that they were in the background of the photo you took earlier, so you have to delete it.
Would you delete it because you didn't ask everyone else at Disneyland for permission to take pictures?
If you caught someone breaking the law on camera, and they asked you to delete it, would you delete it because you didn't ask for permission first?
Aeroxmaster said :
Same goes with them refusing to identify themselves to law enforcement when they are seen in the act of auditing... If you're not required to provide ID, then why would you?
If an officer asked you to do a headstand, would you do it, simply because they asked?
Unless you live somewhere that "Paper, please" is legal, then why would you hand over your papers just because they asked? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
04-Mar-2021 23:01:47
Aeroxmaster
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All of this irritates a lot of people, but auditors simply see this as them fighting for rights that are being lost. One must wonder how significant the achievements of auditors actually are in the current climate. They aren't just standing up for their own rights, they're standing up for everyone's rights.
Rights are like muscles; if you don't exercise them, you're going to lose them. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
All of this irritates a lot of people, but auditors simply see this as them fighting for rights that are being lost. One must wonder how significant the achievements of auditors actually are in the current climate. They aren't just standing up for their own rights, they're standing up for everyone's rights.
Rights are like muscles; if you don't exercise them, you're going to lose them. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
04-Mar-2021 23:03:08
FiFi LaFeles
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Of course the 'Auditor' wasn't at all loitering conspicuously outside a Police Station waving his camera around filming absolutely bugger all and hanging around long enough to ensure a Plod car turned up so that a longed-for confrontation could take place.
It was obviously never his intention to engineer a situation which he could then upload onto social media and make a great big fucking fuss about. Nope, not him. No, Sir-ee.
Twat. I hope they threw him into a cell and gave him a kicking.
Here's the weird thing... he can only "make a great big fucking fuss about" if the police violate his rights, otherwise, the video is just him filming the police station and nothing exciting happening... which is the way it should be... no one should have their rights violated for public photography.
Even if the person hopes that their rights get violated so they can upload it to YouTube... the police shouldn't be violating people's rights.
The police are violating his rights... which is wrong... but... some people are excusing it because they believe it was his intent to have his rights violated.
Like, somehow... "it's okay if the police shoot you, if you went to the police station to prove that they would shoot you"... ?
If someone goes to a police station to prove to everyone that the police will violate the rights of public citizens, how is the blame being shifted to the person who got their rights violated, instead of the people who violated the rights?
Weird logic there. lol.
I think they call that "victim blaming" or something, don't they?
FiFi LaFeles said :
Plod car
lol
I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
Of course the 'Auditor' wasn't at all loitering conspicuously outside a Police Station waving his camera around filming absolutely bugger all and hanging around long enough to ensure a Plod car turned up so that a longed-for confrontation could take place.
It was obviously never his intention to engineer a situation which he could then upload onto social media and make a great big fucking fuss about. Nope, not him. No, Sir-ee.
Twat. I hope they threw him into a cell and gave him a kicking.
Here's the weird thing... he can only "make a great big fucking fuss about" if the police violate his rights, otherwise, the video is just him filming the police station and nothing exciting happening... which is the way it should be... no one should have their rights violated for public photography.
Even if the person hopes that their rights get violated so they can upload it to YouTube... the police shouldn't be violating people's rights.
The police are violating his rights... which is wrong... but... some people are excusing it because they believe it was his intent to have his rights violated.
Like, somehow... "it's okay if the police shoot you, if you went to the police station to prove that they would shoot you"... ?
If someone goes to a police station to prove to everyone that the police will violate the rights of public citizens, how is the blame being shifted to the person who got their rights violated, instead of the people who violated the rights?
Weird logic there. lol.
I think they call that "victim blaming" or something, don't they?
FiFi LaFeles said :
Plod car
lol
I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
04-Mar-2021 23:25:54 - Last edited on 04-Mar-2021 23:39:14 by NexOrigin
https://www.youtube.com/BlindJustice
That's Mike's channel. He's a disabled blind veteran who does audits of public buildings to ensure other people like him are able to get the service they need.
He is often refused service, has his rights violated, and has been arrested for having a camera with him, as one of his assistive devices.
Is he engineering those situations by being blind? I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
05-Mar-2021 00:03:56 - Last edited on 05-Mar-2021 00:04:17 by NexOrigin
Don't get me wrong, there are auditors who should not be doing audits. I'm not going to advertise them because I wouldn't even want people viewing their videos, but, let's just say these individuals were uneducated about what they were doing, they ended up on a private airfield trying to do a first amendment audit. It was ridiculous. Somehow, because "airplanes" that meant "public property" to them. They should not be doing audits.
But then there are others, such as Amagansett Press:
He is almost always very cordial, and is well versed in his rights and knows what he's talking about when he's discussing his right to film in public.
Or how about HonorYourOath, who engages in his right to free speech with his "God Bless The Homeless" sign:
He does nothing more than simply stand in public with a sign saying "God Bless The Homeless". That should never result in any kind of police action. But sometimes it does. That's why these audits are important; to educate both the public and the public servants about the rights of the public. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
But then there are others, such as Amagansett Press:
https://www.youtube.com/AmagansettPress
He is almost always very cordial, and is well versed in his rights and knows what he's talking about when he's discussing his right to film in public.
Or how about HonorYourOath, who engages in his right to free speech with his "God Bless The Homeless" sign:
https://youtu.be/FRJo4L0pE58
https://youtu.be/U0TQxOuoQdc
https://youtu.be/eEjpkv886jw
He does nothing more than simply stand in public with a sign saying "God Bless The Homeless". That should never result in any kind of police action. But sometimes it does. That's why these audits are important; to educate both the public and the public servants about the rights of the public. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!
05-Mar-2021 00:15:20
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