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Death Rattle
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Abbem, if you want scientific proof that we are heading into a cooling trend then research the current solar activity that is happening. The volcano that caused the little ice age also coincided with a major solar minimum. Basically it was a "perfect storm" of sorts. Also we have a "negative" pacific decadal oscillation (PDO) occurring at this time - one of the strongest negatives on record. That means the average temperature of the pacific currents is well below average. This happens in 20-30 year cylces of overall cool and overall warm.

Also we had one of the strongest la ninas last year and it has been shown that the years following la ninas have harsh winters. This last one was one of the strongest on record. Stack that with the overall pdo also being in the cool end of the cycle along with a solar minimum and you have the recipe for a particular harsh 20-30 year cooling trend before temperatures go back up. The late 70's and early 80's were also rather cool. (about 30 years ago) These are just natural cycles that the man made drop in the bucket simply cannot compete with.

You wanted scientific proof to back it up? Well there it is my friend. Check out accuweather for more detailed information on the matter. **I also never said there was no need for regulation, but as we all know, too much of a good thing is not a good thing.** (successful regulation of cfc's have caused the hole in the ozone layer over antarctica to diminish, but this has had the unexpected effect of increasing the warming in anarctica)

If you haven't noticed, the OP says co2 is not the only problem, and Global
Warming is not even in the title.

Don't assume someone has no proof just because you don't agree with them. That is just a bit rude =).

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07-Dec-2011 23:00:11 - Last edited on 07-Dec-2011 23:58:09 by Death Rattle

IrishSnowDay

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This thread was interesting, and I'm glad that the OP did not just go into CO2, but directed the topic onto other chemicals which are harmful.

On this subject of global warming, I'm not too worried myself that the globe is warming at a dangerous rate. There isn't enough experimental evidence to support that such is occurring. The problem with meteorology and climatology, is that the only experimental data which can be obtained is very small scale. Sure, one may fill large tanks full of various gases and simulate a certain condition, but that is microscopic in comparison to the earth's atmosphere. The only data which we can gain on a much larger scale is based on corelational study, which unfortunately is not capable of determining whether two variables are related to eachother.

Take for example the studies done on the size of the northern polar ice cap. They have recorded the size of the ice cap multiple times over a few years, and discovered that it was shrinking. This is very interesting news, but unfortunately you cannot determine whether the cause of this occurring is because the globe is warming. Maybe the globe is warming because this is happening. Maybe they have no relation to eachother. Again, in science, corelational study cannot determine the relationship between two variables, only experimental study can.

But we can't experiment on a large scale. We have experimentally proven that gases such as water vapor and CO2 can cause a greenhouse gas effect, but we have only proven this in tanks which are much smaller than the earth's atmosphere.

Now what the OP is saying is a different story. If we want to take care of our environment in general, we do need to be aware of various chemicals which we emit, and which can cause harmful effects which we have discovered through experiment. But in my opinion, global warming actually distracts many from the real problems, and unnecessarily hurts businesses and economies.

07-Dec-2011 23:50:07

Death Rattle
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^Amen to that. I live in the deep south and we had 3 snows last year. One for just a little over 6 inches! We even had a white christmas which is unheard of here. We also had a week straight of nearly constantly below freezing weather, and this region is considered "subtropical." I don't know about you, but this "global warming" is freezing my ass off :p.

07-Dec-2011 23:54:13 - Last edited on 07-Dec-2011 23:55:00 by Death Rattle

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