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Well, yes, it does matter.

You claimed:
Icy Spring said :
No regulatory body would ever approve a vaccine that is 0% effective. Which, for the most part, is true.

But how far above 0% do you think a vaccine needs to be, before it's mass distributed?

I mean, what if I told you that the effectiveness of the 2004-2005 influenza vaccine was between 5% - 10%?

Effectiveness of inactivated influenza vaccines

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19086915/

I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

20-Dec-2020 05:02:41

What if I told you that the reason most children aren't getting sick with covid is because they've already been vaccinated against it?

Would you believe me?

Or would you just call me a conspiracy theorist?

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.586984/full

I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

20-Dec-2020 05:18:13

Megycal said :
I wear a mask mainly to protect others jic I'm a symptomless carrier. Who protects you? I mean, it would make more sense to wear a mask to protect yourself, not others. If you got yourself an appropriate mask, you wouldn't have to worry at all. If you're wearing a mask that's only slightly effective to "protect others", you're at risk of getting the virus, and spreading the virus.

But if you're protecting yourself, you don't have to worry about either getting it, or spreading it.

Because, well, if you're considering things like this:
Megycal said :
At the supermarket yesterday I was tempted to approach a young couple who weren't wearing masks. I thought I could say that I was very sorry that they both had medical problems which meant they couldn't wear masks but then I thought...he's a strong looking man and I'm a short old woman..I'd better not say anything because I'd probably end up getting abused. Also its amazing how many people wear masks just over their mouth.....

1. People will call you Karen.
2. You might get covid.
4. People will call you Karen.
5. You might get assaulted.
6. People will call you Karen.
7. There is no 3, stop complaining about it, Karen.




I don't understand some people. I see videos of people surrounding others in grocery stores, parking lots, etc, yelling at them for not wearing a mask... literally pulling off their own masks, so they can yell louder at these people. The idiocy and hypocrisy of it astounds me. And that doesn't even include the assaults I've seen people getting for not wearing a mask.

If someone isn't wearing a mask, and that worries you, then why would you go up to them in the first place? Aren't you scared of the virus? Isn't that the whole reason why you want them to wear the mask?

(and when I say "you" I'm just speaking in a general "you" sense, not directed at you or anyone else specifically) I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

20-Dec-2020 11:49:21

ICE investigations led to seizure of two websites posing as Covid vaccine companies

https://kvoa.com/news/2020/12/18/ice-investigations-led-to-seizure-of-two-websites-posing-as-covid-vaccine-companies/

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BALTIMORE (KVOA) – Following an investigation conducted by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Homeland Security Investigations, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Maryland announced today the seizure of two domain names, “mordernatx.com” and “regeneronmedicals.com,” which purported to be the websites of actual biotechnology companies developing treatments for the COVID-19 virus.

According to DHS, the spoofed websites were used to collect the personal information of individuals visiting the sites, in order to use the information for nefarious purposes, including fraud, phishing attacks, and/or deployment of malware.

Individuals visiting those sites now will receive a message that the site has been seized by the federal government and be redirected to another site for additional information.
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20-Dec-2020 13:44:47

Volte Face said :
Same thing with social distancing. I'm sick of people pretending to cough in my direction as if to warn me I'm getting too close. How about the dirty looks you get for not following the arrows in the grocery store properly. As if somehow the virus can't get you if everyone is going the same direction. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

20-Dec-2020 14:01:31

Megycal said :
its amazing how many people wear masks just over their mouth..... I see this comment a lot.

A mask stops the large respiratory drops. You know, the spray that comes out of your mouth when you talk or cough?

Unless you're sneezing, you're not expelling large respiratory drops out your nose.

Since a mask doesn't stop aerosolized vapors, having a mask over your nose doesn't actually provide any additional protection, since only aerosolized vapors will be coming out of your nose. So even if you have the mask over your nose, it's still not stopping the vapors. I'm better than you, but that doesn't mean you're not great!

20-Dec-2020 14:12:22

20-Dec-2020 16:07:16

Icy Spring said :
NexOrigin said :

I mean, what if I told you that the effectiveness of the 2004-2005 influenza vaccine was between 5% - 10%?

Effectiveness of inactivated influenza vaccines

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19086915/

The flu vaccine's efficacy varies by year because manufacturers have to guess which strain of the flu will be most prevalent. However, because tens of millions of Americans get the flu every year, the CDC recommends that everybody get a flu shot because 40% efficacy still prevents millions of cases. Nor is it mandatory like polio, MMR, DTaP, Hepatitis B, etc. Of course, you can't always get vaccines right every year. But they're still safe though, right?

The 2004-2005 influenza vaccine was a complete failure. Not just because the vaccine was highly ineffective at only 5% - 10%, , but, also because the vaccines were tainted with serratia bacteria.

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Aug - Oct, 2004

A significant shortage of influenza vaccine occurred in the U.S. (History: On August 25, 2004, as a result of routine testing required by FDA, Chiron Corporation, located in the U.K. and one of two suppliers of inactivated influenza vaccine for the U.S., identified bacterial contamination in a limited number of lots (approx 4.5 million doses) of its influenza vaccine. Chiron was expected to produce between 46 and 48 million doses of vaccine for the U.S. as part of a total vaccine supply of about 100 million doses. On Oct 4, 2004, authorities in the U.K. suspended the company's license for 3 months.

On Oct 16, 2004, FDA announced that none of the influenza vaccine manufactured by Chiron for the U.S. market was safe for use

. U.S. authorities recommended allocation of vaccine to those at highest risk of complications from influenza.

https://www.immunize.org/timeline/

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20-Dec-2020 22:15:36