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Wild Bill63

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@SLR I suspect, that people are acting on suppressed emotions. Like folks are blowing their lids clean off their pots.

As for human/ape connection.... Eh I don't buy it. Every ape has had the same evolutionary opportunity to become a type of human as humans but they didn't cut the mustard which defeats the macro-evolution theory. (I felt obliged to state that, anyway back to the thread)

Since morals are often so closely tied to religion I'll take a portion of scripture and quote it, "Because iniquity shall abound, the love of many will wax cold." I don't think that really needs interpretation but all the same I'll explain what it says.

Because of the evil of humanity is ever imposing, the love of humanity will only grow cold. It's sort of a cycle so to speak. People hear of evil they become numb to it and possibly bitter to other folks.

But all the same as I said before, I feel like even terrible people could use a bit of mercy at times. I mean their evil is only different than ours but we expect mercy when we do wrong so it's good to show mercy to others. I feel like the road to healing begins with love and love brings forgiveness, understanding, and mercy. And it's up to the folks who are considered decent to show that love.

14-Feb-2022 03:56:42

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SlR

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Wild Bill63 said :
As for human/ape connection.... Eh I don't buy it. Every ape has had the same evolutionary opportunity to become a type of human as humans but they didn't cut the mustard which defeats the macro-evolution theory. (I felt obliged to state that, anyway back to the thread)
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So, whilst man was evolving from ape, another creature was not evolving 'into' ape? I'm confused. Could selective breeding not have played a role in the gap? over the countless thousands of years, the distinction between man (or man-ape) and 'regular' ape (lol) surely would've gotten wider. Maybe we just didn't breed with them. The mutation(s) that led us to becoming human didn't pass on? Birth complications or something? genetic mix/match limitations, etc? I really don't know, this isn't something I've looked into much.

I just feel like... since this all happened soo long ago, it's hard to be certain about any of it. Heck, if we assume the average birth age of a female human is 25, then 2000 years ago was only 80 mothers ago, lol. Perhaps we've bitten off more than we can chew (with the industrial revolution)? Made a world so alien, to what we're used to, and we're seeing the side effects of it? It seems (to me) that most people act out when they're not fulfilled, appreciated or treated unfairly. Could this reflect the world we live in?

What about the future we're stepping into? Automation replacing jobs, overpopulation, climate crisis, the pending inflation crisis, etc. We're in 'testing' times for many. Of course if you have a nice house, car, job, supportive family, friends, etc. It's a bit different. I don't know.. there are a lot of variables to consider.. I just think people should be excused for acting out every now and again. If they repeat-offend just avoid them. If you can't avoid them (eg: a family member that you live with) then I guess you're kinda screwed, lol. Tried: How to deal with difficult people - Gill Hasson ? Bob says:

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14-Feb-2022 10:09:56

vonSageworth

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This has been my experiences:

There are 2 homeless men who I see on occasion. One sits under an overpass and the other I have no idea where he stays. Sometimes I would see on or the other or both at a nearby gas station. Not begging, not bothering anyone. They would sit on the curbing to the back entrance to the gas station. One day, I bought 2 hot dogs and a large coke for them. I offered them to the homeless men, but both refused. One became angry when I insisted.

In a neighboring city, there was a community of homeless Veterans. The Veteran's Administration (VA) reached out to them and offered health care, while a homeless organization offered to find them a place to live and help them find jobs. None of the Veterans stepped forward to accept the help. A Journalist (not connected to any media) interviewed the community. Some of the comments were:

~~I don't trust the government.
~~I trust no one, except the ones in this community.
~~Why should I accept all the worries you have? I have my tent, friends, no bills, no debts.
~~Some of us do odd jobs. With the money we make, we buy groceries, a few hygiene necessities and share them with the community. We don't bother anyone, we just want to left alone. This is the life we choose.

Years ago, I had a friend whose brother was homeless. The brother was a successful businessman with an excellent paycheck. He quit his job, sold his house with everything in it, sold his expensive car and boat with trailer and went to live in a homeless community. He said that he was tired of dealing with "Red Tape", jumping through hoops, money hungry people, and all the things that goes with it. He wanted to live someplace in peace, disappear from Society altogether. My friend said that he goes to visit his brother on occasion. He seems happier than he has ever been.

Not everyone is homeless because no one cares. They are homeless because they want to be. Just the flip side of the coin.

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14-Feb-2022 16:04:21

Wild Bill63

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@SLR I have not read that book but I did get the lesson for free upon stepping into ministry. To a lot of people I may seem like a total idiot but I have a very deep understanding of what people need in order to function as a human.

@Sage, it is true that the homeless sometimes choose that lifestyle but I'm talking about the ones that don't choose to live that way - the ones whose lives are just a series of misfortunes or poor decisions, the folks who no matter how hard they tried to get things right always ended up at the bottom or always missed the mark.

As for the people who get irritated or irrationally angry when offering food and water - that's kind of weird. Have you ever sat down with them and just tried to get to know them on a friendship level?

14-Feb-2022 18:50:54

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SlR

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@ Wild Bill63 - You haven't given me any reason to think you're an idiot, I'm simply trying to offer alternative points of view. My stance is that you can't really change people, only how you respond to them. I've not read that book either but it has high reviews on Amazon!

@ vonSageworth - Interesting story, quite an extreme shift but I guess we shouldn't judge, whatever makes people happy I guess (as long as it's not harming others, of course).

I've always thought... We get thrown into a career pretty early in our lives, before we even know what we want to do. Then responsibilities take hold, rooting us to whatever job we're in at the time. Insert 'its a trap' meme. This video puts it well - https://youtu.be/Oxi_15Y57ac 0:50 Bob says:

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14-Feb-2022 19:03:27 - Last edited on 14-Feb-2022 19:14:42 by SlR

Wild Bill63

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@SLR I wasn't referring to you specifically thinking I'm an idiot. Just most people who hear what I have to say because I have very little tact lol

Your way of thinking does make sense. I can absolutely see that being part of the problem. We place so much value on how much work gets done that we end up valuing the work above the people and that leads to all kinds of problems. I will construct a sort of list as a chart of how I see cause and effect.

1. CEO puts a high demand for workers and not so great benefits or pay.
2. The work load increases but the pay or time off doesn't change.
3. Workers become over worked and under paid
4. Workers become stressed because they're away from home, have bills, etc that are ever increasing and no pay increase to match the change.
5. Because of the amount of work, the employees have less personal time
6. Workers become more stressed.
7. Worker has a health issue which sometimes causes them to be late
8. Boss calls in the employee over performance loss
9. Employer punishes the person who is trying to take care of themselves
10. Employee leaves job because it's become a terrible job
11. Employee looks for new jobs and can't find one
12. Employees family leaves them.
13. Employee runs out of money and becomes depressed at the same time
14. Employee becomes homeless.
15. Employee considers suicide.

I know that's an absolute worst case scenario but it has happened before to someone in this world.

Moral of the story? Make people feel human, make them feel more important than a job getting done. The world may not be made a better place for everyone when you treat one person right but that one person who was treated wrong will have their whole world changed.

14-Feb-2022 22:13:27

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2020

SlR

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Yeah, I feel you. I think this is why EQ over IQ is being pushed in managerial positions. People do need to be more empathetic of others. Listen instead of waiting for your turn to speak, etc. (thanks Fight Club for that quote).

I'm waiting for them to trial universal basic income more, so we can see if people are more productive when their basic needs are met. Nobody should have to choose to 'heat or eat' and perhaps wages on average do need to be higher.

I always wondered if we were to artificially increase the price of luxury goods in order to lower the price of essentials, if that'd work? You know, balance it out so our GDP stays the same but reduce poverty? I personally wouldn't mind paying a bit extra for crap I don't need if it means food and the rest is cheaper for all. Bob says:

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15-Feb-2022 14:49:41 - Last edited on 15-Feb-2022 14:50:13 by SlR

Wild Bill63

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@SLR That's all fine and dandy yet raising prices won't help much of anyone especially the poor which is what category I fit in. Everything is more expensive even when you're broke. Some folks are like $300 isn't a lot of money. And I'm thinking it certainly is a lot of money because for poor folks, it is a lot of money. Everyone will be flying around the country seeing sights, hanging out with friends in other states, going to college, etc then there's me - I can't afford $3.00 worth of M&M's when I haven't eaten all day because I need the money to put in gas to get back home, then I hate having to spend that money because I'm trying to save it for when I need it later. Then you have gas stations that want to slap a vendors fee on everything if you pay with a card, oh your drink is 99 cents? Not anymore, pay $3.99 for it instead to cover what we are charged for selling it.

So raising prices to make things more affordable won't work because since companies know that it's a basic need they will price gouge. The little man has always been stepped on and always will be stepped on in the economy.

15-Feb-2022 18:01:50

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SlR

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I was just saying 'what if' the gov had a policy to tax luxury items, it might have a positive impact on equality? Though it wouldn't be favoured by high earners, needs > wants.

I don't know what its like in the US but do you have 'personal allowance' ? here you can earn 13k, anything over that amount gets taxed. If what you earn is below that and you're working 30hr a week you should be able to claim benefits. At least that's how it works in the UK. I'm no expert though so take what I say with a pinch of salt. £3.99 for a drink is steep, I wouldn't pay that for a pint at a bar! My heart goes out to you. Are you on Reddit? there are some good sub-reddits like /frugal. Bob says:

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15-Feb-2022 19:29:00 - Last edited on 16-Feb-2022 10:09:02 by SlR

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2015

Tenebri

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Wild Bill63 said :

As for human/ape connection.... Eh I don't buy it. Every ape has had the same evolutionary opportunity to become a type of human as humans but they didn't cut the mustard which defeats the macro-evolution theory. (I felt obliged to state that, anyway back to the thread)

you have just explained how you do not understand evolution. in its entirety lmao

id recommend reading "the greatest show on earth, evolution" its written by an evolutionary biologist.

to say "you dont buy into evolution" just means you clearly havent been taught what it actually is. that book is a good start
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15-Feb-2022 23:54:19

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