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Rooh said :
Hey Fifi, I was just about to reply to you on the thread but though that would take it off topic.

I'm genuinely sorry to hear you had cancer, and I'm glad that you're a survivor... but don't you think that using it as a derogatory term trivialises it?

It's a touchy subject for many and even just seeing the word can be upsetting.
I speak from (recent) experience too.

I don't often explain my actions in such detail, but I'm happy to on this occasion.
I hope you (and Nexus) can see my point of view.

And there's people who use the word "autistic" in a derogatory matter as if to trivialize autism.

So now if I make a thread title that contains the word "autistic" in a legitimate way (such as "Ask an Autistic" (Considering I am one with 2 diagnoses)), it's subject to change because a few precious snowflakes can't grow the fuck up and realize the world doesn't revolve around them?

That don't seem right to me. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

05-Dec-2018 17:34:04 - Last edited on 05-Dec-2018 17:34:51 by Team Skull

FiFi LaFeles

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@Rooh

First, thanks.
Regarding the subject in hand: No, I don't think the word 'cancer' is trivialising the disease of the same name since the word, in the context it is being used, is in no way referring to the disease that I and many others have had.

It is a word with emotive connotations, certainly, but no more so than saying 'miscarriage of justice' ... for instance. Would anyone who has ever miscarried a baby, or knows someone who has miscarried a baby, seek to have that word censored when it is used in an entirely different context? Would such censorship be just?

The use of the word 'cancer' is (imo obviously) being used in the sense not of the human disease but in it's legitimate alternative and very common ! form, the definition of which is "an evil or destructive practice or phenomenon that is hard to contain or eradicate" .

Honey Davenport referred to racism as a cancer in our community. Honey is black and a 'drag' artist and the community referred to is LGBTQ.
http://www.papermag.com/honey-davenport-the-monster-nyc-2609858725.html

U.S. Bishops refer to 'the ugly cancer of racism' (ahh, racism again - is that the key?)
www.ncronline.org/news/justice/ugly-cancer-racism-infects-us-bishops-say-proposed-pastoral

Like I said, the original thread title in no way refers directly to the actual disease of cancer, but to it's other, legitimate Dictionary definition.

Any offended individuals have the right to be offended if they so wish - it doesn't mean they are right and that other people should be censored in the use of a legitimate word simply to ameliorate their feelings.
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05-Dec-2018 22:51:59

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Nexus Origin said :
Just because someone is offended by something, doesn't mean it was offensive. Unfortunately, nowadays it sort of does. Though not offensive as in offensive.. just faux outrage, fake offence. Attention seeking. Being offended is no longer an emotion, it is a status symbol.

I don't take anyone seriously that says they are offended by something anymore. It has gotten that bad, in my experience. People have cried wolf too many times.

06-Dec-2018 04:59:56 - Last edited on 06-Dec-2018 05:14:52 by Shiavui

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Dong U Dead said :
Something may be offensive to one person and not the another. The people who are doing the offending know exactly what they are doing - so why do it in the first place?? No.

You cannot claim someone is being offensive just because someone is offended.

That's not how it works. This isn't 1984.


There were claims that the eclipse was racist.

Are you telling me that the eclipse was actually racist, because someone was offended?
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06-Dec-2018 06:39:39

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For example, if I were to say "I wish my ebike wasn't retarded, I'd like to get it up to 60km/h".

Someone, who is ignorant of the actual definition of the word "retarded", might claim that they are offended because I used the word "retarded", even though I used it in the very literal sense of the word.

Was I intentionally being offensive? Of course not. They only reason that they are offended is due to their own ignorance, not because I was actually being offensive.

Why should anyone have to change their use of the English language because someone else is ignorant about the English language and claims to be offended?


Should the rest of the world have to dumb down to their level, so that they aren't offended by their own ignorance?
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06-Dec-2018 07:12:38 - Last edited on 06-Dec-2018 07:16:06 by Nexus Origin

Dong U Dead

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Nexus Origin said :
For example, if I were to say "I wish my ebike wasn't retarded, I'd like to get it up to 60km/h".

Someone, who is ignorant of the actual definition of the word "retarded", might claim that they are offended because I used the word "retarded", even though I used it in the very literal sense of the word.

Was I intentionally being offensive? Of course not. They only reason that they are offended is due to their own ignorance, not because I was actually being offensive.

Why should anyone have to change their use of the English language because someone else is ignorant about the English language and claims to be offended?


Should the rest of the world have to dumb down to their level, so that they aren't offended by their own ignorance?
Why use the word retard in the first place - you are a grown man. But nope I wouldn't find that offensive, but I wouldn't think much of your language skills using such a word. But if you were to call my children or another person retard of cause I would be upset, and you would know this before even opening your mouth. As I said different people find different things offensive - It like you using the word cancer in your thread, I find it fine, but another person didn't and that is fine - you can't please everyone.
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06-Dec-2018 10:48:25

FiFi LaFeles

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A classic example of ignorance, Dong.

"I wouldn't think much of your language skills using such a word"

Do you have any idea whatsoever what the word 'retarded' means in automotive terms? Nexus was very clear he was using it as an example with his vehicle.

And yet you immediately start banging on about it being a form of insult.

Hint: it is a legitimate technical term that has been used since engines were invented. His language skills in using it are superior to yours in comprehending it.

The same can be said for the use of the word 'cancer' in Nexus' thread title. It has at least two very defined, yet different, meanings depending on how a person either deliberately chooses to see, or through ignorance comprehends, the actual word.

Context is key.
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06-Dec-2018 10:53:19 - Last edited on 06-Dec-2018 11:17:50 by FiFi LaFeles

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FiFi LaFeles said :
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A classic example of ignorance, Dong.

"I wouldn't think much of your language skills using such a word"

Do you have any idea whatsoever what the word 'retarded' means in automotive terms? Nexus was very clear he was using it as an example with his vehicle.

And yet you immediately start banging on about it being a form of insult.

Hint: it is a legitimate technical term that has been used since engines were invented. His language skills in using it are superior to yours in comprehending it.

And "retard" is also used for fire blankets to classify what kind of agent it is (flame retardant).

Retard, on its own, is not an insult. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

06-Dec-2018 11:14:57

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