Forums

\^_^/ Anime Discussion \^_^/2 Thread is sticky

Quick find code: 23-24-240-61239843

Chimera Ant

Chimera Ant

Posts: 218 Silver Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
I Revive, don´t become an elitist. That means, holding on to the "truth" that your series is better than other's series just because your opinion > rest.
What you say about NGE is true to a certain extent, but that doesn't make it the perfect series just because it tries to exploit human psychology nor does it make the cast most realistic and believable. Why? Because characters like Shinji are a 1/10.000.000. Humans are hardly thát complex in combination with a tragic past ánd a fragile mind. Beside the character psychs, the series makes a petite excuse for all sorts of things in order to prevent deus ex machina, which sometimes it fails to do.
In my eyes, the cast of NGE isn't most realistic, but most well thought out. Does that make them perfect? no. There are still flaws within their characters. And not only the characters but the series as well. When Hideaki Anno created this series, he was depressed as ****. As a result the first half of the series is extremely emo/dark/gloomy that you have to be depressed as well to enjoy such a thing. Another tragic flaw is the repetition. In both scenes and music. Another one is the animation. Not only are lips not moving when talking at certain scenes, but the budget literally run out at the end. Result: drawings and an unfinished ending. It was only several years later that EoE came out. I can go on about things that either can really disrupt the enjoyment, or are just writing flaws. But there was another line that struck me:
"NGE was like a first of its kind. It revolutionized the mech genre and was a great success. Still, nearly 17 years after it's first episode aired it's widely talked about and considered one the greatest sci-fi anime of all time. "
And for that it's a classic. But classic # best series. Dragon Ball did the same for the shounen genre. But if there's anyone to point out it has flaws, it would be you, my friend.
(running short on remaining characters)

09-Aug-2012 22:22:07

Chimera Ant

Chimera Ant

Posts: 218 Silver Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Still, Evangelion is a great, well thought out series. Unlike any other anime. And I'm glad to see it as a favorite instead of those 2-dimensional moé moé series. But because of some heavy issues within NGE, I prefer the Rebuild series. Same series, less psychology, but adressed flaws and more story. Looking forward to 3.0

09-Aug-2012 22:24:01 - Last edited on 09-Aug-2012 22:26:45 by Chimera Ant

i Revive

i Revive

Posts: 3,806 Adamant Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
I'm not trying to be an elitist. Never anywhere do I say "that anime sucks or your favorites suck." (I only do this with Naruto, Bleach, Fairy Tail, etc.) I'm just stating my opinions and trying to create conversation because it's fun. I'll skip around a little bit in reply to your post. Just keep in mind I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, just posting my thoughts. Well...
I think it makes it the perfect series for the reason that it DOES exploit human psychology. I really enjoy the type of stuff that makes you think like that. Psychology and philosophy really interest me so that's a reason why I hold NGE in such a high regard. Like I said in my past post, it just made me feel emotions that I've never quite felt in any other anime before. About the part where you said there are flaws in their characters, I'm not quite sure what flaws you are referring to. But, even if they are flawed, so are humans. I say the characters are the most realistic because nobody always has a brave face on, they let their real emotions show a lot. Throw a bunch of teenagers into the midst of battle with the world on the line and this is what you would actually get. Shinji and Asuka already being emotionally disturbed only aids in their eventual self destruction.
I don't necessarily think you have to be depressed to enjoy it to it's full extent either. First time I watched it I really had no idea what I was getting into so I didn't really like the gloomy mood either. But, after a while I went back and rewatched with the thought in mind that it was going to be depressive. Needless to say, I came out after watching EoE thinking it was the greatest thing in the world. It helps knowing what your getting into so you can really bond with the characters the next time around.
I will agree that the animation is sub-par at some points, but you just have to overlook it. I watch anime more so for the plot than the animation.
Running out of characters here too... But I have more..

09-Aug-2012 22:52:45 - Last edited on 09-Aug-2012 22:59:45 by i Revive

i Revive

i Revive

Posts: 3,806 Adamant Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
"Beside the character psychs, the series makes a petite excuse for all sorts of things in order to prevent deus ex machina, which sometimes it fails to do."
Well, I could say the same for many other series as well. The situations are just for enjoyment and to get that thrilling adrenaline rush. I thought they handled everything wonderfully.
"And for that it's a classic. But classic # best series. Dragon Ball did the same for the shounen genre. But if there's anyone to point out it has flaws, it would be you, my friend."
I understand that being a classic # best series. But, that's not the reason I liked it so much as you can see. About Dragon Ball... Haha, you got me there. Although I do respect it as a series and how it introduced many others outside of Japan to anime in their younger days. I'll admittedly say I did watch it as a kid, but I doubt I could enjoy it even a fraction as much today as I did back then.
Phew that was a lot...

09-Aug-2012 22:59:05 - Last edited on 09-Aug-2012 23:01:58 by i Revive

i Revive

i Revive

Posts: 3,806 Adamant Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Another thing to add:
While I do enjoy my occasional "2-dimensional moé moé series", none of them will ever make it near my favorites.
About Rebuild... Well I think Rebuild is more for actiony people. Personally, I don't like it as much as NGE because they removed a lot of the psychology. It's like Gainax just combined NGE and TTGL for Rebuild. I heard 3.0 is supposed to get a lot darker so I don't know... I am looking forward to it also.

09-Aug-2012 23:11:41

Chimera Ant

Chimera Ant

Posts: 218 Silver Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
"About the part where you said there are flaws in their characters, I'm not quite sure what flaws you are referring to. "
Guess I should elaborate more on this one. It's not much but these two things really bothered me.
Shinji: after he ran away in the first episodes, he suddenly acted way too gloomy/emo even for the state he was in. I understand the context but this time it was out of place, and probably an uncalled for influence of Hideaki. After a small peptalk he made a very quick transistion to being happy and normal. A too sudden transition only to instantly revert back many episodes later.
Asuka: The most believable girl in the series except for one thing: the ecchi girl archetype that effects her entire realism. To be precise the: 'don't look at me *******, you want to do all that stuff to me huh?'. That's not how regular girls express themselves.
Luckily both are resolved in Rebuild. So are the animation and repition. But what really made me enjoy Rebuild more is how they're trying to tell the story more simpler. They foreshadow more, and make us wary of the things that are going on more straightforward. And normally I like it if a series is being subtile, but NGE puts soo much emphasis on the psychology, and that's cool, but that kinda neglects the story part. And that's a shame cause Evangelion has the best though out story. But in order to get it, I had to read the entire wiki pages and stuff. And that's a bit too subtile for me.
I too liked the trippy 'what am I' parts, but I prefer the story being more straightforward. (and the action part being more fleshed out I don't mind :P ).
I miss some angels though. That giant planet and that round string.
An interesting fact: the Eva franchise has the music by the same guy as Bleach.

09-Aug-2012 23:31:27

i Revive

i Revive

Posts: 3,806 Adamant Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Asuka acts like that because it's a way to bully Shinji, in turn making herself feel superior. She recognizes Shinji as a weak person, so she preys on him for satisfaction. That's just the type of person she is because she wants to prove herself to the world that she is the best due to past problems. She is arrogant and stuck-up but that's what makes her one of my favorite characters. Also, it can be interpreted that she's trying to provoke Shinji to make a move on her. After all, Asuka IS attracted to Shinji... and vice-versa.
I'm not going to comment on the Shinji bit since I don't remember in that great of detail. But from what I remember nothing wrong stood out to me.

10-Aug-2012 00:04:31 - Last edited on 10-Aug-2012 00:05:37 by i Revive

Quick find code: 23-24-240-61239843 Back to Top