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NeverEnd 51

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I agree with Smokes and Tech. I have no clue how you thought what you just said was character development so that point is pretty moot. And Yukiatsu was out of character? Unless he starts shouting happiness galore, I can't see your point there either. The anime is what it is no matter what you wanted it to be.
I'm going to have to watch Clannad.

26-Jun-2011 19:25:45

h6h67h67h

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I don't feel like explaining cuz I doubt I'm gonna change anyone's opinions. But Menma was annoying cuz she acted the same throughout the whole show...stupid. She was capable of two things: crying and acting like a 5 year old. AND..I mean that in the worst way possible. Anaru and Tsuruko were the most believable characters, and I did like them a lot. Yukiatsu was okay, but he was really over the top. Sniffing a dress that looks like Menma's? Cmon...

26-Jun-2011 19:54:40

Embrace M E

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I can understand Sensual's dislike for AnoHana. Smokes, AnoHana was rated by many a "Masterpiece" prior to finale, so the ratings won't mean much. The ratings reflect majority's views on it.
Honestly, there didn't feel like much character development except for Jintan and Menma. Yukiatsu was a character you would hate and the same can go for Tsuruko. Poppo wasn't explored much until the end, and Anaru did things out of her one-sided love. The end did help improve those flaws but I couldn't sympathize with any of the characters. Sure there were moving moments, but it didn't provoke me. I don't see how they're realistic. Menma acting like a 5 year is fine with me because she passed away at that age and wouldn't have changed much. I didn't understand Yukiatsu's motives nor did I understand Tsuruko's actions because of her jealousy of Anaru. Yukiatsu's sudden change in attitude was... Just sudden. Again, Poppo had many flaws. Nonetheless, AnoHana is a decent show at least, but it's moving to those who may sympathize [more] with the characters.
I've actually written up a horrible review of AnoHana so I may post that. I dislike my writing so it's probably up to you guys to see my criticism of it.
Edit: Fixed up a sentence that didn't make sense.

26-Jun-2011 22:09:10 - Last edited on 26-Jun-2011 22:10:56 by Embrace M E

h6h67h67h

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I actually didn't think Menma had any character development at all. Sure, she moved through various stages of crying...but that was it. It's a biiiig flaw if one of a show's two main characters is merely used as a plot device. Yeah, and the sudden emotional changes in the finale were like whiplash. Yukiatsu suddenly deferring to Jintan was rushed to say the least. And the ending hide and go seek game had me face-palming at the cheesiness and over the top-ness. I'll think of more to rant on if someone else brings other things up.

27-Jun-2011 03:20:38

h6h67h67h

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That's a lame excuse (no offense). After 11 episodes, you'd think that we'd understand more about her character, but we don't. I didn't really mind that her character didn't "change," but here emotions were hardly explored. She's just a static, stagnant character (only capable of laughing and crying)...as I said earlier, a plot device and not really fleshed out. She really had no meaningful dialogue.

27-Jun-2011 05:23:23 - Last edited on 27-Jun-2011 05:24:35 by h6h67h67h

Jesse B77

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Personally, I think alot of the criticism's thus far voiced for Anohana on this thread, much like most of the critisizms I have seen of various anime over the years, are very much cookie cutter criticism. The same old analysis stick that shows get beaten to death with time and time again.
And once again, I have come to the same old conclusion on the subject. The manner with which you consume media play's a big part in the end result. Not in a 'emotionally manipulative' way, but just how much life a person is willing to give something that dosent actually exist.
First, lets start with the characters. Given the type of show that Anohana is, there isn't a whole lot of mechanisms to drive large bouts of character development, nor was there the time frame to drag development out progressively, so where does this development occur?
That development is up to the viewer and how it is they see the character. For example, do they see Yukiatsu as a cluster of lines and pixels who has a weird fetish and conforms to the 'love to hate' trope, or do they see him as an individual with his own thoughts and motivations who's burdened by his own ghosts of the past?
Thats how the difference will be found. You cant watch a show like Ahohana by just watching it on a screen and staying detached from it. Even if you dont invest your emotion to the point were your going to cry at the ending, you still need to invest enough to understand WHY the CHARACTERS would.
One more point to be made on the subject. The disconnection between writer and reader, which is something to always be taken into account. The writer and the characters are one, so the writer knows all their internal motivations, were as the reader does not. As such, its the role of the reader to find these motivations. While one can argue that its the writers job to make those plain, then the show gets bashed for unrealistically rapid development, and so cant win either way.

27-Jun-2011 07:50:26 - Last edited on 27-Jun-2011 07:52:21 by Jesse B77

Jesse B77

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So, in conclusion. I didn't cry at the end of Anohana, and i think those tears i did shed were more obligatory than voluntary, but I enjoyed Anohana from start to finish, for no other reason than the fact that I 'got it'. And that all the whole analytical back-and-forth comes down to in the end, who it was that 'got it' and who didn't.

27-Jun-2011 07:56:03 - Last edited on 27-Jun-2011 07:59:01 by Jesse B77

NeverEnd 51

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"but we don't." Like what was said above- I understood. All that was needed for her character was there. So I am not part of 'we' since she did do more than cry and laugh. To each his own but facts and opinions are two different things.
But, for me as well, wasn't a true masterpiece. Because one would appeal to everyone.

27-Jun-2011 08:00:39 - Last edited on 27-Jun-2011 08:01:42 by NeverEnd 51

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