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Scouse
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BreakingBad said :
I struggle to see any idea's of how this would actually be used in the real world, Great concept should it work however it just wouldn't work, they can't even add an age verification to certain mediums of age restricted videos, let alone ID verification.

Anyone have any suggestions how this would actually work, who would monitor who, who's going to pay for it?


I would imagine certain fee's we already pay will have to increase to pay for staff to monitor but say as an example you pay £20 a month for your services now, would it be such a bad thing to have to pay like £28 a month with the knowledge that your 11 year old daughter would be far safer than when you only paid £20.

That is just an example, i know we don't all have 11 year old daughters lol but as someone who does not have an 11 year old daughter, i would feel happier knowing the slight increase is helping someone else.

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13-Mar-2021 01:18:51 - Last edited on 13-Mar-2021 01:19:24 by Scouse

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Discord and several other non-Jagex owned platforms exist. An 11 year old would not be safer at all.

And bypassing parental controls is just a google search away.

So now that I actually think of it, even if Jagex were to find some way to get verifiable identification from everyone, they have no way of monitoring outside platforms that are very popular with RS players.

Really this just puts normal players at risk and really does nothing towards protecting minors from predators.
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13-Mar-2021 02:11:41 - Last edited on 13-Mar-2021 02:12:20 by Averia Light

Scouse
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Averia Light said :
Discord and several other non-Jagex owned platforms exist. An 11 year old would not be safer at all.

And bypassing parental controls is just a google search away.

So now that I actually think of it, even if Jagex were to find some way to get verifiable identification from everyone, they have no way of monitoring outside platforms that are very popular with RS players.

Really this just puts normal players at risk and really does nothing towards protecting minors from predators.


The discord server would be run by already known and vetted people and anyone that joins would have had to be already vetted also, put in a simple way, make the internet like a bank, everyone will be safer.

I get not everyone agrees or understands and it may be harder to do than my minds thinks but at least it would be a way forward in the safety of our young ones if could happen.

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13-Mar-2021 03:23:39

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Discussion of already existing real world applications of mandatory ID to Internet account creation will inevitably involve discussing the political situation in certain countries, and therefore is not possible on this forum.
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13-Mar-2021 07:32:10

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Scouse said :
As for those that want to use the internet for anonymity, they could still freely do that and become who they wish to be but in a closely monitored situation, if they want to be a 22 year old female online while knowingly living as a 43 year old man, so be it.

But if they then try to dupe someone for gain then the forces above will and can then step in.

Seems the way to go to me.

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Yes, it has great merit, I can't deny that.

The problem is how safe is it.

Identity thief is already a problem, over the internet it would be even easier.

How can Jagex, Steam, Roblox, FB, Twitter etc actually prove its you??

My birth certificate is just a phone call away, all you need is my full name and date of birth. Most places that is all they ask, date of birth, full name plus your address at times. Many years ago I went to an appointment and they said you were here this morning, I said no I wasn't, I actually had to argue with them. Never found out what happened. They were extra nice to me that day.

My concern is identity thief.
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13-Mar-2021 09:22:46

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From a very practical point of view, it would never work. It's too complicated to implement and enforce, and realistically, who are we trying to stop? Those who want to remain anonymous will very easily do so. Social media apps that require no ID will remain, because anyone can create one. It will just push everyone, including children to use unsafe apps because they can't get verified
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13-Mar-2021 09:45:51

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Facebook and Instagram literally have real name policies and everybody is happy to put where they live in their bio, and it does absolutely nothing to stop racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. I'd say they're all the happier for it, since it allows them to all bond together and victimise people more because they can't hide their identities. I'm less likely to speak out against people when they literally know who I am and where I live, removing anonymity is a double edged sword.

These services literally use GPS to track everywhere you go every second of the day, on a product that requires monthly subscriptions to be useful, tied to your real identity via your bank account. What more is an ID going to do apart from encourage everyone to submit it to any random website that might happen to ask for it, people are bad enough with passwords.

Take a look at Parler requiring identification and then losing it all to hackers, and how that completely backfired, it didn't stop any of the racism, but it did lead to a lot more cyber crime.

13-Mar-2021 10:29:05 - Last edited on 13-Mar-2021 10:32:48 by Hmm

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Scouse said :
Averia Light said :
Discord and several other non-Jagex owned platforms exist. An 11 year old would not be safer at all.

And bypassing parental controls is just a google search away.

So now that I actually think of it, even if Jagex were to find some way to get verifiable identification from everyone, they have no way of monitoring outside platforms that are very popular with RS players.

Really this just puts normal players at risk and really does nothing towards protecting minors from predators.


The discord server would be run by already known and vetted people and anyone that joins would have had to be already vetted also, put in a simple way, make the internet like a bank, everyone will be safer.

I get not everyone agrees or understands and it may be harder to do than my minds thinks but at least it would be a way forward in the safety of our young ones if could happen.

Much love

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That isn't how the internet works though. And, it may pass in the UK but the chances of it passing here are slim, imo. China and other countries would likely be less inclined than the US to pass such a thing.

I am also literally a programmer, lol, I understand how it works just fine. I also specialize in systems, which include security and fraud (mix of an accountant/auditor/programmer). This just can not be easily controlled as compliance between all the countries is unlikely (among other factors). For one, how is Jagex going to cross reference any ID given to them?
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13-Mar-2021 12:49:04 - Last edited on 13-Mar-2021 12:52:08 by Averia Light

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This is why you don't let other people use accounts that are in some body else's name...

I do very much believe that an ID system can still make people appropriately accountable.

It could simply add to evidential processes that already exist. People already get held accountable for things said online, but it can be harder to trace without ID. ID introduction makes this a lot easier. It can make the justice system work more effectively.

Edit: Having skim read through this thread, I am in general agreement with some posters.

ID can just be held on an encrypted system. It doesn't necessarily have to be held by the company that you're creating the account with. Could be linked to a more centralised system. It would be more useful for law enforcement purposes. Therefore even if someone got hacked, you wouldn't be able to access that type of info as it wouldn't be held by the company - it would be held where ID tends to already be held these days anyway. It is just that the central ID database that already exists also has other attachments to it such as login usernames for people.

Your username then forms part of your identity ;)

As an aside note, Discord and P-r are scum websites. They are inappropriately managed. I would not step my feet there at all. Not everyone on Discord is bad, but there is a lot of inappropriate behaviour that can go on there due to the mechanisms and policies of that website. I would have no objections to server managers there being vetted.

14-Mar-2021 18:41:36 - Last edited on 14-Mar-2021 18:50:51 by Aeroxmaster

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Aeroxmaster said :
This is why you don't let other people use accounts that are in some body else's name...

I do very much believe that an ID system can still make people appropriately accountable.

It could simply add to evidential processes that already exist. People already get held accountable for things said online, but it can be harder to trace without ID. ID introduction makes this a lot easier. It can make the justice system work more effectively.

Edit: Having skim read through this thread, I am in general agreement with some posters.

ID can just be held on an encrypted system. It doesn't necessarily have to be held by the company that you're creating the account with. Could be linked to a more centralised system. It would be more useful for law enforcement purposes. Therefore even if someone got hacked, you wouldn't be able to access that type of info as it wouldn't be held by the company - it would be held where ID tends to already be held these days anyway. It is just that the central ID database that already exists also has other attachments to it such as login usernames for people.

Your username then forms part of your identity ;)

As an aside note, Discord and P-r are scum websites. They are inappropriately managed. I would not step my feet there at all. Not everyone on Discord is bad, but there is a lot of inappropriate behaviour that can go on there due to the mechanisms and policies of that website. I would have no objections to server managers there being vetted.


From someone in the world of public service, it just wholly wouldn't work like planned. Trust me I'd love it to, but it sadly wont.

I've noticed you post a lot of police related questions looking through history, are you related in some way or just have a keen interest/like to know peoples opinions? I've noticed you don't often post on your posts either :P I only ask as obviously, I find them interesting and seeing others peoples point of view
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14-Mar-2021 18:58:15

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