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Joel
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Inspire you said :
Few children dead already here. The count is 5 so far from the vaccine. Can you cite a reference for that?

All I can see is extremely rare cases of more serious side affects in adolescents which was at a rate of about 100 in 8 million (or 0.001%) from a safety report from last Thursday ( https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-13-01-2022 )

Every vaccine has side effects, most are very minimal and temporary and in more rare cases can be more severe and even in the cases where side effects are more severe, it's not always due to a direct link of taking a vaccine, hence why professionals in field actually study such occurrences.
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17-Jan-2022 15:28:09 - Last edited on 17-Jan-2022 16:57:40 by Joel

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Joel said :
Can you cite a reference for that?
Allison Coleman.

Joel said :
it's not always due to a direct link of taking a vaccine, hence why professionals in field actually study such occurrences.
She was alive before it.

Are dead children now an acceptable loss?

So you're safe?

There's other grown adult males out there like you. Another renegade Rat-Lord from the Master pond of scum.

17-Jan-2022 17:42:26

Tenebri
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Inspire you said :
Joel said :
Can you cite a reference for that?
Allison Coleman.



the fact you only said the name with no actual source shows there is no evidence what there is evidence for is that this is complete lie

https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/01/13/allison-coleman-death-rumor/


so no there is no allison coleman death of the vaccine.

all this shows is you eat up misinformation as fact and dont even look into it properly. as long as it supports your bias you will believe it, that is dangerous.

you had very little credibility beforehand but now its even less

what we also have is the people that are unvaccinated are constantly dying more so than the people with the vaccine. and needing more care than the vaccinated

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5

the majority of teens that have needed to into intensive care are unvaccinated

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/13/teens-icu-unvaccinated/


stop spreading misinformation and fear. especially when its outright lie

get vaccinated people. it is important that you do


reposting this just because it is actually useful
Tenebri said :
Inspire you said :
If there are any side effects that show themselves after 2 -3 years ... well at least, " We are all in this together. "

Just some more than others. ;)



https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/vaccines-are-highly-unlikely-to-cause-side-effects-long-after-getting-the-shot-


most if not all side effects occur after a few weeks of getting the vaccine has been given

you're scared of something that hasnt happened in history of vaccines. instead of whats actually happening right now with deaths of not getting one.

which makes no logical sense
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17-Jan-2022 18:30:17 - Last edited on 17-Jan-2022 19:24:43 by Tenebri

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Inspire you said :
She was alive before it.

Are dead children now an acceptable loss?
Given the lack of concrete evidence that the girl ever existed and unusual obituary photo (headshot, neutral expression, messy hair) this is almost certainly a hoax perpetrated using an AI-generated face.

17-Jan-2022 23:33:14 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2022 04:30:37 by Icy Spring

Joel
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@Inspire,

As already pointed out, there's no evidence of that person, child or otherwise passing away, let alone passing away from any of the available Covid vaccines. A 2 minute research task would tell you as much but instead you chose to regurgitate social media memes circling the internet without even checking if there was a shred of validity and credibility to such memes (spoiler... usually there isn't)

In future, I recommend not putting words into anyones mouths. Nobody said deaths are acceptable, children or otherwise. What is unacceptable is pushing remarks as facts when actually they hold no credibility whatsoever and only contribute to the abundance of misinformation that people (as you have now done) go on to share as truth.

If you have an actual credible source to share (such as the weekly Australian health report) then please go ahead, but a Facebook/Twitter meme is not a credible source.

Let's just be clear - Nobody is claiming these vaccines are free from side effects, mild or otherwise. That's why adverse reactions are monitored and studied in a controlled manner by medical professionals qualified in the field, to determine if indeed a vaccine was the sole cause of an adverse reaction, part of the cause or perhaps a coincidence.

So far, based on actual studies done by medical professionals (not meme creators on social media) adverse reactions from the available vaccines have thankfully been extremely rare and on the flip side of that, they have shown to be incredibly effective in reducing the risk towards preventing severe illness, hospitalizations and deaths from contracting Covid.
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18-Jan-2022 04:48:46

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When 100's of millions have been given the vaccine of course some will die soon afterwards. That does
not
mean the vaccine caused the death, it has to be investigated by the professionals. Everything I've read has said the number where the vaccine was responsible is very small. The risk is much lower than from catching Covid.

18-Jan-2022 10:10:48

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It would be investigated by the professionals if they allowed it. When they tried doing that in Italy they refused because they couldn't proof covid related deaths in those 7K people. So many people asked for it but they didn't do it. I don't even wanna mention so many things that go against basic common sense so I'll make it short.
Everything you've read is the problem, you are constantly served and pumped by propaganda and one side so other valid opinions and scientists doesn't reach your area, thankfully I live somewhere else.
For VAST majority of people catching covid isn't anything special, it's more about immune system than vaccine that doesn't really work like we saw in examples in the world now + we will keep seeing it.
I'm just afraid of enormous negative side effects caused by experimental vaccine for people that took this in future, they are easily tricked and will take anything without proper research. Not counting brain filling propaganda that is paid to do that of course like BBC or some other''credible sources''.
The action or process of causing so much damage to something that it no longer exists or cannot be repaired.

18-Jan-2022 15:04:40 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2022 15:05:37 by Destruction

Joel
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^ Just to clarify here...

At this point in time, it is crystal clear that the available vaccines have helped incredibly in preventing severe illness, ICU admissions and deaths which is exactly what their intent was, not to prevent you from getting Covid with 100% effectiveness.

That much is clear from statistics from countless countries around the world when you compare the rate of hospitalizations and ICU admissions between those who are unvaccinated and those who are fully vaccinated. The rate of unvaccinated people in ICU is much higher.

https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/

One example above is the latest statistics out of Ontario. The rate of patients in ICU because of Covid is 10x for unvaccinated vs vaccinated... TEN times!

So your "vaccine doesnt really work" comment falls completely flat on its face.

In regards for your "experimental vaccine" remark - The US at the very least has fully approved the available vaccines in use there and I believe they aren't the only country either.

So what do we know right now... we know that the vast majority of those in the medical field recommend the use of these vaccines because that's the conclusion based on a decent number of studies now conducted in various countries around the world. We also know they're having a massive impact as I've cited above as one example.

The other example worth mentioning is how despite the astronomically high daily case rates thanks to this new omicron variant, we haven't seen the same size spike (even now as a delayed period) in ICU and deaths, especially in those who have been vaccinated.

Something to be concerned about should be misinformation, pushed by a vocal minority that then causes a disproportionate amount of noise from one side, that has minimal to no basis in scientific studies done so far.
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