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Kings Abbot

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I think they gave a reason when the M&S rework was released with all these higher tier ores and gear. There's not a lot of difference between most weapons damage and speed wise, so it's only a cosmetic difference. Kings Eastwood in
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25-Jun-2023 12:49:30

Korthala
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Kings Abbot said :
I think they gave a reason when the M&S rework was released with all these higher tier ores and gear. There's not a lot of difference between most weapons damage and speed wise, so it's only a cosmetic difference.

It's not only cosmetic. What game are you playing? Swords don't do piercing or bludgeoning. No weapon does more than 1 type of damage.

27-Jun-2023 03:10:59

Rikornak
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It only matters if you have significant problems to hit whatever you're trying to it - exploiting weaknesses doesn't increase the damage dealt otherwise. Most of the time it's enough to use the general weakness (i.e. melee), as long as you're using an adequately tiered weapon. And especially the vast majority of bosses do not have weaknesses at all.

And then - you always have tons of other options when it comes to equipment - which are - attuned bane equipment aside for some situations - superior to their smithed counterparts from necrite onwards (and I am not just talking about pure stats). Also ignoring the fact you can often grab upgrades between two main tiers.

So while it might not be cosmetic on literal levels - de facto it just is. They just fulfilled giving you an adequate option of equipment at all times, instead of forcing you to run around with (significantly) underlevelled things as it wasn't that rare in the past. It gets less generous the higher you get (i.e. necrite degrades despite equipment at that tier usually doesn't, bane has lower than usual, elder rune significantly lower than usual stats, none of those things can be augmented with the exception of attuned bane) - you are supposed to try and get something more advanced.

Yeah as said - when it comes to invention and disassembly a bit more variety wouldn't have been bad - but I guess it is as it is. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
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27-Jun-2023 05:22:10 - Last edited on 27-Jun-2023 06:22:44 by Rikornak

Korthala
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Lol, you sound like you are one of the programmers and just don't want to do any work. I don't understand otherwise why you're so against it. "You're supposed to get better gear"? wtf? Lmao. Yes of course you are, always upgrading until you top out. But while you're at your current tier you have lesser options. Not everything is about top end tier gear. lol.

27-Jun-2023 10:58:44

Rikornak
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Obviously they could do it. But for what then... and I haven't lost a single word about 'top end tier' - just alternatives to equipment that is not even remotely 'top end tier' - or do you think elder rune is supposed to be this?

I see it as a player as wasted dev time, that could be used for something better. Not even new content, but introducing core equipment at places where it matters. Melee got its chance to upgrade every 10 levels without issues already. It doesn't need the choice of 10 basically identical things. At most they would offer you one weapon for each affinity - but since it literally doesn't matter most of the time they just did one for almost the effect.

I really do not get what your issue exactly is. You get core equipment for melee for every single main tier - that's the simple to come by stuff for which you do not need to interact with anything like advanced content. Disadvantages - not as versatile, potentially more expensive to maintain, potentially a tad bit weaker. But you are fully covered with all you need, even though you just won't wear it for too long. And if you want more - grab one of the tons of alternative choices already existing.

Why again should they offer the choice of 10 basically identical weapons - that the old metal tiers have that is given to historical reasons - not that most of the weapons ever had had purpose, but they had had different stats and potentially roles. The EoC in 2012 condensed them extremely (yadayadayada that one thing bludgeons things instead of slashing them)

If you want to complain - go and complain for rangers and mages, which do not even remotely are covered with easy to come by equipment for starters. But no - instead of asking for something simple to create for rangers or mages at level 80, you rather would want the 10th (if that's even enough...) melee weapon. Great. Job. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
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27-Jun-2023 11:29:50 - Last edited on 27-Jun-2023 13:38:20 by Rikornak

Korthala
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Oh so sorry I didn't mention range and mage. Lol. I never said they didn't have it hard that way. All I "suggested" was to add more weapons to smith with higher end ores. Obviously there's a problem with range and mage gear at lower teirs too I guess. Sorry I didn't choose YOUR choice to make a suggestion about. And this wasn't supossed to be an argument. It was a "suggestion". Do you know what that is? Because this is the "suggestions" forum. I wasn't "complaining" to begin with as you say.

27-Jun-2023 15:59:46

Rikornak
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This is starting to get a bit off topic, but I would like to clarify one final thing.

If you start to question (or outright lashing out against) players giving you a short (yet more than valid) response towards your suggestion (what game are you playing, lol, you sound like you are one of the programmers and just don't like to do any work. literally your last response) - especially under wrong assumptions - won't do the whole thing good. Believe me - my third response wouldn't have ended up like this, if you hadn't snarked on me like that.

It's a public forum after all - so obviously some will think about the things in some other fashion than you do - and you shouldn't have an issue with that, as long as those others do not derail the whole thing (which discussing or even commenting your suggestion obviously isn't). Convince them why your idea is so awesome. And at worst go agree to disagree.

I'll leave that thing to you if you do not have something to add now - contentwise I have said what I have to say. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
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27-Jun-2023 16:15:03 - Last edited on 27-Jun-2023 16:32:31 by Rikornak

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