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Stoic n Vain

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I'm going to create controversial PVE content where you DON'T work together, on purpose, to get the best rewards! Sound stupid? Please read on to be amazed!

There will be a new bossing option when trying to pass the barrier (for the group leader).
"Beastmaster - High Stakes!"
. Choosing this option will update the group accordingly.

When passing the barrier, every team member must pay their "cost to save upon death" value to Fetcher. (there will be a warning saying you might not get it back).
Leaving group mid instance will not get your deposit back! - So enter at own risk!
When dying, you don't have to additionally pay death as well.
(death will be safe in the BM instance when the deposit is paid).

You can only join a high stakes instance once per week.

My initial idea was: Once per week you can loot a "Beastmaster (High Stakes)" raid.
(you could try as many times as you'd like, but only loot once). - but I realized that this would make the content far too easy to be abused. :(

If people think it's unfair that one player gets most of the focus of Beastmaster's attacks,
he could automatically swap aggro every 20 seconds instead. (you could still provoke whenever you want).

After a successful raid, the players remaining will be awarded 10 lots of Beastmaster loot and all of the money held by fetcher , divided equally between remaining victors.
The fewer the players remaining, the more loot you get!
If everyone dies, there's no getting your deposits back (Fetcher gives it to Death).

The dark side of this is... getting your teammates killed intentionally!!! Muahahaaa!
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12-Apr-2020 03:38:54 - Last edited on 12-Aug-2020 07:59:14 by Stoic n Vain

Stoic n Vain

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Thank you for your comment, Jeremeny Cheng.

Technically, you always risk in raids. If you die and have to pay death, it's the exact same loss.
(also, it's not a forced risk, as it's each player's decision to do a high stakes raid or not)
I'm sure most players will stick with with the usual BM.
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13-Apr-2020 14:23:04 - Last edited on 13-Apr-2020 14:25:07 by Stoic n Vain

Stoic n Vain

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Rikornak said :
Stoic n Vain said :
The dark side of this is... getting your teammates killed intentionally!!! Muahahaaa!


This sentence literally is my issue with the whole idea. You really, really, really shouldn't advocate degenerate behaviour like this.
Tbh, that was (imo) the biggest selling point of this suggestion! It's essentially a competition. I don't see it as degenerate at all. It sounds like great fun to me! Everyone knows the risks. Players can either decide to work together for the typical loot, or work against each other, at a higher risk, for greater reward!

Everyone always works together when bossing... why not try something different?
It's just like PKing, only indirect, but no less intentional. I know it's a controversial idea.
I'll remind you again that this is an addition ; it will not change normal BM instances.

Thank you for your opinion.
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17-Apr-2020 11:33:54

Adarajin
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If it were implemented, this would be an interesting update - finding a balance between enough players to actually down the boss, and few enough players to have a reasonable split occur.

Would there be any 'bonus' loot dropped by the boss in addition to the split entrance fee? If so, what might you suggest for that?

If a player has already looted but chooses to participate again, do they have to pay the entrance fee again? Or would they be counted as an extra supporter that helps to down the boss, but doesn't effect the payout?
Things may be looking down now, but I see a light at the end of the tunnel;
Do you think I should get off the tracks?

13-Jul-2020 22:50:46

Stoic n Vain

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It sure would be!

It wasn't my intention to add any bonus loot, as I felt that the reward was already lucrative enough. If you succeed, you're guaranteed to have better than typical loot if players died, because you get not only their share, but their "reclaim deposit" as well. (you could theoretically get multiple codex's and multiple achto pieces if incredibly lucky). Not only is it rewarding, but it's an additional BM loot per week, normally 3-4 per week, now 4-5 p/w.

I'm not against an additional bonus loot system though, if other players think that'd make the content idea better. I just worry that it could be too rewarding.

I didn't intend for players who have already looted to be able to join a Beastmaster - High Stakes raid again. They must wait for the weekly reset to re-join.

This is controversial content where you're pitted not only against the boss, but against each other as well. Someone who has already looted high stakes will have different intentions than someone that hasn't yet looted.

If the intention is to help down the boss (solely for other players) , that goes against the goal of the content. It's meant to be chaotic. The players all have to individually weigh up the risk and the reward. "Do I work with this person to down the boss, or do I try to get him killed?" If your motive from the start is just to kill the boss, that sort of defeats the purpose of the content. May as well just kill regular BM.

Also, people who have already looted could abuse the system. Say they have a friend. They join and get everyone but their friend killed. Their friend gets all of the loot. They rinse and repeat this process for every friend that they have. In fact, fcs would likely develop that are intended to abuse the system. Killing off the people not in the fc, to reward those that are.

I want this to be every man for himself. Not fc/clan dominates all else.

Thank you for commenting, Adarajin! You raised some good points :)
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15-Jul-2020 06:49:18 - Last edited on 15-Jul-2020 07:11:47 by Stoic n Vain

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