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03-Aug-2020 07:35:21
Running out of room in that post, and have more ideas so...
The bait buckets would add a minor 'non-participation' aggro on the player using them, as well as a larger aggro on the target.
How about for the non-participation bait, it be in the form of a debuff that will stack up over time, which can be removed by either attacking the boss directly, or using support skills instead. The Bait Bucket will simply add a large stack of this debuff to the target player as well as a minor one to the throwing player (since they are busy 'non-participating' to throw the bucket).
So the more damage you do, the faster you remove this debuff, and the faster you become less of a target as compared to others. The more damage the boss takes, the faster he will send out the debuff to everyone.
Sorry if I'm rambling a bit, just throwing out ideas as I think of them
EDIT: Btw, you have the following text in your initial post, which I think we have now decided we don't want, unless it is for a group entirely made up of repeaters:
Original message details are unavailable.
Once per week you can loot a "Beastmaster (High Stakes)" raid.
(you can try as many times as you like, but only loot once).
EDIT 2: I now noticed that you mention this at the very bottom of your first post - maybe just say that a group can only be compromised of 'first-run' players for the week, or 'multiple-run' players who have already looted it once that week, but not a mixture of the two? Do you think that weekly reset tokens should work on this? Things may be looking down now, but I see a light at the end of the tunnel;
Do you think I should get off the tracks?
The bait buckets would add a minor 'non-participation' aggro on the player using them, as well as a larger aggro on the target.
How about for the non-participation bait, it be in the form of a debuff that will stack up over time, which can be removed by either attacking the boss directly, or using support skills instead. The Bait Bucket will simply add a large stack of this debuff to the target player as well as a minor one to the throwing player (since they are busy 'non-participating' to throw the bucket).
So the more damage you do, the faster you remove this debuff, and the faster you become less of a target as compared to others. The more damage the boss takes, the faster he will send out the debuff to everyone.
Sorry if I'm rambling a bit, just throwing out ideas as I think of them
EDIT: Btw, you have the following text in your initial post, which I think we have now decided we don't want, unless it is for a group entirely made up of repeaters:
Original message details are unavailable.
Once per week you can loot a "Beastmaster (High Stakes)" raid.
(you can try as many times as you like, but only loot once).
EDIT 2: I now noticed that you mention this at the very bottom of your first post - maybe just say that a group can only be compromised of 'first-run' players for the week, or 'multiple-run' players who have already looted it once that week, but not a mixture of the two? Do you think that weekly reset tokens should work on this? Things may be looking down now, but I see a light at the end of the tunnel;
Do you think I should get off the tracks?
07-Aug-2020 01:27:38 - Last edited on 07-Aug-2020 04:16:41 by Adarajin
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True. Having a limit of 1 raid per week is the best solution I can think of to cripple the dominance of clans. I want it to be as much "every man for himself" as it can feasibly be.
I can see good and bad about the idea to automatically make the boss difficulty based on the expected players remaining.
Positive: BM will be harder in this mode, so it will have a far greater likelihood for all players losing out, so making it a bit easier would prevent a lot of hardship.
Negatives: It could be too easy. Players are used to the current fight statistics. Players can already pull off BM kills reasonably well with just 4-5 players, if they are skilled.
I think overall, it'd be better to leave the difficulty as it is. This is content is meant to be a challenge. Let the players weigh up the cost of working together or against each other with the current difficulty. If they fail the kill, they'll quickly learn that pking too many players is a bad thing
Your aggression mechanic sounds cool. I like the idea of players who are not participating enough getting a higher aggression rate too. I like the idea of players throwing the bait getting some aggression also, but I'd prefer it to be more punishing. For example: player throwing bait gets 45% aggression, player being hit with bait 55% for example, so that the player who is hit can recover reasonably well with some DPS or other form of contribution. The thrower would also have to take a big risk as well.
Yes, I think it'd be simpler to have it called aggression (rather than non-participation-aggression). So, there would be your usual enrage stack on BM's current player of focus, then an aggression stack on everyone, ranging from 0-10.
Thank you for letting me know about the contradictory text, I'll deal with that soon.
I don't know if "multiple run" instances would work in addition. Have to think about it.
I'd be ok with weekly reset tokens to work on this.
Thank you for the suggestions, Adarajin!
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True. Having a limit of 1 raid per week is the best solution I can think of to cripple the dominance of clans. I want it to be as much "every man for himself" as it can feasibly be.
I can see good and bad about the idea to automatically make the boss difficulty based on the expected players remaining.
Positive: BM will be harder in this mode, so it will have a far greater likelihood for all players losing out, so making it a bit easier would prevent a lot of hardship.
Negatives: It could be too easy. Players are used to the current fight statistics. Players can already pull off BM kills reasonably well with just 4-5 players, if they are skilled.
I think overall, it'd be better to leave the difficulty as it is. This is content is meant to be a challenge. Let the players weigh up the cost of working together or against each other with the current difficulty. If they fail the kill, they'll quickly learn that pking too many players is a bad thing
Your aggression mechanic sounds cool. I like the idea of players who are not participating enough getting a higher aggression rate too. I like the idea of players throwing the bait getting some aggression also, but I'd prefer it to be more punishing. For example: player throwing bait gets 45% aggression, player being hit with bait 55% for example, so that the player who is hit can recover reasonably well with some DPS or other form of contribution. The thrower would also have to take a big risk as well.
Yes, I think it'd be simpler to have it called aggression (rather than non-participation-aggression). So, there would be your usual enrage stack on BM's current player of focus, then an aggression stack on everyone, ranging from 0-10.
Thank you for letting me know about the contradictory text, I'll deal with that soon.
I don't know if "multiple run" instances would work in addition. Have to think about it.
I'd be ok with weekly reset tokens to work on this.
Thank you for the suggestions, Adarajin!
The New Wild (instanced)
<--------->
Enhancing Combat and PVP
10-Aug-2020 15:37:58
Oh ok. The boss can be beaten with a few players, so I don't personally see the need for change there. People generally go with 10, because it's the maximum amount allowed and the more people, the easier it is. The boss does hit much harder as the fight goes on.
Oh yeah, doing a practice mode variant of high stakes without being able to loot would be fine.
It could maintain the reclaim cost mechanic, maybe if they all die, the last man standing gets the reclaim cost of everyone else? It's an interesting new type of staking, but with reclaim costs
Sounds like an interesting idea to let players control bombs in some form. It could work
Thanks for the suggestions again, Adarajin! The New Wild (instanced) <---------> Enhancing Combat and PVP
Oh yeah, doing a practice mode variant of high stakes without being able to loot would be fine.
It could maintain the reclaim cost mechanic, maybe if they all die, the last man standing gets the reclaim cost of everyone else? It's an interesting new type of staking, but with reclaim costs
Sounds like an interesting idea to let players control bombs in some form. It could work
Thanks for the suggestions again, Adarajin! The New Wild (instanced) <---------> Enhancing Combat and PVP
12-Aug-2020 07:53:49
Well... I don't want to encourage players to work against each other during normal mode...
Also, what do you mean "solo only"? There's only one player I know of that can solo this boss.
Usually updates are for ... at least a handful of players
Thanks for commenting Nex is Life
The New Wild (instanced)
<--------->
Enhancing Combat and PVP
Also, what do you mean "solo only"? There's only one player I know of that can solo this boss.
Usually updates are for ... at least a handful of players
Thanks for commenting Nex is Life
The New Wild (instanced)
<--------->
Enhancing Combat and PVP
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