RuneScape Forum Archive | Re-releasing of items lust

200m Defence

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RSGOTMEFATT said :
Could they not have released it temporary through the oddments store? it would have given players another chance and targeted manipulation at the same time,

Only thing I see here is massive demand from player base and jagex finding a way to make money off it. it was not solely to target manipulation which happens in the rare market also.

yeah they could've released it through the oddment store, and no doubt they did it the way they did for the easy money grab - that's their own decision. as is your own decision they're not forcing you to spend money to get the walk, you now have the option to get the walk by rng with your daily keys or by buying it for over 2b cheaper then what it was before.

and yea the same happens in the rare market - which they tried fighting the manipulation in that market years ago but the forums started a petition which is a large % of why they probably never went through with bank bidders.

when the community actually speaks up against certain actions the company will most likely listen, but if solely a small portion of the people who a update effects tries to speak up just because they don't like it they're not going to just give in to them. Don't trust any pc's listed, any advice or talks between posts on ID forums anymore , the Manips are let loose, especially the main one with 15+ accounts posting acting as different people.. do your own research

28-Oct-2021 22:38:01 - Last edited on 28-Oct-2021 22:40:49 by 200m Defence

Cayx

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The more they release merched tokens the more money goes from merchers to the normal people. this bleeds the merchers money trying to make those tokens keep its worth.

i hope all tokens gets re released so hoarding can stop.

28-Oct-2021 23:07:11

RSGOTMEFATT

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ELITE STACK said :
What I noticed is since zombie walk was rereleased merchers/people who don't own certain items are randomly asking for rereleases like partyhats/hween masks/black santa/seasons items and other expensive cosmetics out of spite because the item they owned either got rereleased or they just hate someone who owns a certain cosmetic. We are going to have a target war with rereleases for the next few years and majority of the community supports a partyhat rerelease.

Some merchers i know personally, wanted walks to be rereleased so the trust in sof/th breaks they think it would boost rare prices as the money flows from tokens into rares. And then there were other players who just wanted to them to be rereleased out of spite because they were jealous of the massive profits some were reaping who bought in early and manipulated the price. Now it's possible token merchers want rares to be rereleased out of spite lmao. But what merchers think doesn't matter they are only a small % of the community. But like you said "majority of the community supports a partyhat rerelease." the community will move onto something else after walks, for now it seems like they are targeting phats. I personally don't think they should release any rares because if they do it's likely going to be a key buying spree, benefiting no one but jagex.

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28-Oct-2021 23:12:30

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Dr Goldfire

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Thanks for these many reactions. To sum my reply up I will rather respond to particular ideas than to individual posts / players.

Yes, I am very aware of the fact that promotions are apparently a good business opportunity for Jagex, which may be fueling the frequency of re-releasing of mainly desired tokens. Among main factors of desirability, price is undoubtedly one of the most important. As soon as they introduce several waves of certain items over and over, attractiveness may fade out gradually.

Untradeable attribute of re-released tokens would be an interesting option to see whether it would alter prices of an original tradeable batch as much as it messes with it now.

I also feel sorry for those who might have put billions into, for example, (formerly) top tokens, in small quantity of few pieces and ended up finding their banks going down by 10's of %. Contrary to that I feel much less sorry for those who didn't get particular tokens just because they didn't play during the original promotions.

Then there is an economic part of the thing. Creating uncertainty within "token class of assets" may fuel money flow into "traditional rares" (as seen in "Discontinued items thread" ) even more significantly and helping the most well-off to grow even more.

So as you try to target hoarding / manipulation, effect may be exactly opposite contrary to the plans. Though my original post might have seen messy, this was hidden message of it. Overregulation often do have opposite effects (whether it is in Runescape or in real world) and at the end, actor which does the regulation (Jagex, for example) may bear the biggest part of the loss through modified economic conditions leading to changes in players' habits, etc.

Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

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29-Oct-2021 02:34:41 - Last edited on 29-Oct-2021 02:39:17 by Dr Goldfire

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The Atlantis

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ELITE STACK said :
What I noticed is since zombie walk was rereleased merchers/people who don't own certain items are randomly asking for rereleases like partyhats/hween masks/black santa/seasons items and other expensive cosmetics out of spite because the item they owned either got rereleased or they just hate someone who owns a certain cosmetic. We are going to have a target war with rereleases for the next few years and majority of the community supports a partyhat rerelease.

Actually, people just like cheap/free items. People want "free" partyhats, because they can't afford any now, it's kinda funny tbh, because the only reason why party hats are so desired IS because of their legendary rare status. You really think people would desire it because of the cosmetic? XD

Jagex has also made it clear that they won't re-release any classic rares so all the poor people can cry as much as they want.

Tokens were never promised to be "rare", Jagex even made it clear, that these always had a chance of being re-released, and I always expected Zombie Walk to be re-released, and same goes with the other walks.

29-Oct-2021 13:03:32

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Hats Man

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I actually think the best way to go about rares and tokens is sort of 2 steps:

1). Rerelease some tokens: probably the ones with more demand since those are gonna make Jagex the most money and thats really what they want.

1a). Put all unlocks on the oddiment store, be it seasonally or permanent depending on the token. This puts a price ceiling on obtaining cosmetics, while also letting the token have a "Street value". A good example of this is the felix the cat tokens. They are on the oddiment store, but also have a very high GP price for the token, you can save up enough oddiments OR buy it with gold.

2). Rares: Obviously rereleasing partyhats and other rares is out of the question, since a partyhat or ween rerelease would cause many players to quit since they've worked hard or have played long enough to get them. I think the best strategy for rares is actually to create new ones(hear me out).

2a). New rares given out randomly through gameplay. Something similar to previous xmas events where everyone has a random chance to receive an item, possibly even multiple items at at time with different rarity/quantity being added in game. The quantity of each item being released should be stated beforehand so people know, and can hold them or sell them accordingly. This way, newer players have a chance to get a 1/1000 item in game which they could sell(or hold) for other older rares. If they added a few new discontinued items in the game per year, it would actually help other rares stay down in price since the top 1% would want these new rares as well and would sell them for other rares. Through gameplay part also makes it so alt account farms cant win by just spinning treasure hunter.

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29-Oct-2021 13:11:52

RSGOTMEFATT

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RSGOTMEFATT said :
My theory is the company has become real money hungry especially now with the selling of Skilling bundles it's only going to get worse. Older rare owners take comfort that they are safe jagex will never release them or mods own them etc

. But after they run out of methods to increase their revenue rares are next

they won't release them through an event it would be done in some way that maximizes profit but will likely harm the prices of rares.

But before that I think th items will be targeted including walks

which is likely to be bad for walk hoarders but depends on how they decide to bring them back into the game. But no rare/token/item is really safe from greed, selling Skilling bundles is a big hint in my opinion of what's to come. With each poor decision jagex will manage to disappoint a segment of the community which will lead them to quitting at some point. With th/rares it's going to be merchers, skilling bundles skillers/pvmers. I don't think the current owner of jagex Carlyle Group understands that a dropping player count and increasing profit is not a good thing lmao.

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29-Oct-2021 19:11:06

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Dr Goldfire

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Cayx said :
The more they release merched tokens the more money goes from merchers to the normal people. this bleeds the merchers money trying to make those tokens keep its worth.

i hope all tokens gets re released so hoarding can stop.
Lower merchants may get hurt, but the top ones usually even make profits during such situations. And that's it. Overall, I have managed to earn on most of re-releases, yet I still don't think they are good for the long-term run of the game because of already mentioned reasons.

To add a bit of conspiracy, it also seems to me as if particular directed re-releases serve for Jagex's investors as a research to extract specific market behavior rules.

Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

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29-Oct-2021 20:09:57 - Last edited on 29-Oct-2021 20:18:42 by Dr Goldfire

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2012

Dr Goldfire

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RSGOTMEFATT said :
RSGOTMEFATT said :
I don't think the current owner of jagex Carlyle Group understands that a dropping player count and increasing profit is not a good thing lmao.

My post from 16-Sep-2021 17:12:29
Yup, it's truly walking on thin ice. Losing "big customers" usually hurts more than seeing few smaller ones go from time to time.

Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

A girl without freckles is like a night without stars.

29-Oct-2021 20:17:12

200m Defence

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Dr Goldfire said :

Lower merchants may get hurt, but the top ones usually even make profits during such situations. And that's it. Overall, I have managed to earn on most of re-releases, yet I still don't think they are good for the long-term run of the game because of already mentioned reasons.

To add a bit of conspiracy, it also seems to me as if particular directed re-releases serve for Jagex's investors as a research to extract specific market behavior rules.

the only lower merch's that would get hurt are the poorer sheep that bought in a mid-higher price range, and spend half+/all of their bank on risking.

the top ones that are holding the tokens is what these re-released are targeted at so they usually don't profit because they're the ones holding a big % of them and get re-released on and lose bank.

there's a couple names you can probably figure out in the id section that have caused this whole situation to even begin with. which names won't be said obviously because of N&S Rule. Don't trust any pc's listed, any advice or talks between posts on ID forums anymore , the Manips are let loose, especially the main one with 15+ accounts posting acting as different people.. do your own research

29-Oct-2021 20:32:46 - Last edited on 29-Oct-2021 20:34:17 by 200m Defence

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