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Aecka
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Ethereal199 said :


As for the established FC i'm talking about, they had a database that included all lurers, scammers and price manipulators, so all reports that involved said players, were automatically ignored, when determining the weighted averages of the Black Santa Hat + Partyhats, based on the past 10 confirmed trades. After all, a scammer/price manipulator will always be a scammer/price manipulator. It was a lot safer to assume this, than risk these players re-offending.



The problem is the owners/admins of this so-called established FC have run it into the ground with overly strict rules. 99% of the time there is no chat, due to no off-topic allowed, the only function is PCing and the majority of the time there is no PCer, just an admin that says refer to forums, and kicks for off-topic. This alone has allowed the new fc to thrive.
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21-Nov-2019 23:03:55

Fungus Fubar
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I think this game really missing a auction house, with possibillity to make live offers.

Jagex should also have adressed the value system. Shouldnt really be a problem to reprogram the values, or add an "coded engine" inside the game code that revalues the gp value to other values. You could for example have the same value system as in WOW, where the valuta are split into 3 part: Gold, silver, and bronze (copper not sure), where 100 bronze coins is 1 silver coin, 100 silver coin is 1 gold coin. In that way the sums are being parted up, so the game can manage larger value numbers ingame.

22-Nov-2019 00:42:45

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Follow said :
Loki said :

- Look for reports done by established FC ranks.

- Look for reports verified by both parties involved with the transactions.

Neither of these will help you protect yourself from price manipulation. The only reason trading-related friends chats exist is to influence prices through selective reports, price fixing, pumps and dumps, etc. Additionally there have been numerous confirmed instances of "both parties" reporting fake trades for the purpose of steering prices one way or another. These friends chats exist to make money for the participants and everyone who's ever traded rares knows what the deal is. Advising people to check the trade window and explaining what spirit shards are is, in ID, a little bit funny.

Everyone knows you should always be careful when trading items outside of the grand exchange, and you do it at your own risk. Overall this post is a collection of a few vaguely obvious statements, I see no reason for this to exist and be stickied other than OP trying to have a stickied thread in every possible forum section.

People will always shout manip at each other because those "established FCs" are each trying to pull in their own direction, and nothing is going to change that. People will always try to call others scammers not because they feel they got scammed, but because someone else got in the way of their profit. And again, nothing is going to change that. If you think having this notice will cut down on the amount of arguments and accusations in price check threads, you're mistaken.

Useless thread 0/10

Both tips absolutely *can* help a prospective buyer understand the "range" and discern false prices. These are just some suggestions, I don't think the intention is for the list to be all of the exhaustive options. The suggestions posted are some fantastic ways to "start" getting a sense to the price...leading to a more informed buyer.
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22-Nov-2019 19:06:06

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Fungus Fubar said :
I think this game really missing a auction house, with possibillity to make live offers.

Jagex should also have adressed the value system. Shouldnt really be a problem to reprogram the values, or add an "coded engine" inside the game code that revalues the gp value to other values. You could for example have the same value system as in WOW, where the valuta are split into 3 part: Gold, silver, and bronze (copper not sure), where 100 bronze coins is 1 silver coin, 100 silver coin is 1 gold coin. In that way the sums are being parted up, so the game can manage larger value numbers ingame.

Even if they decided to be unoriginal and take ideas from wow, it really wouldn't make prices lower if that is what you are wanting. On wow, every time they increased the cap on the amount of gold any one character could hold at a time, prices on various "rare" items such as mounts from the discontinued TCG continued to go up.

25-Nov-2019 01:57:14

Aegis XIII

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Aecka said :
Ethereal199 said :


As for the established FC i'm talking about, they had a database that included all lurers, scammers and price manipulators, so all reports that involved said players, were automatically ignored, when determining the weighted averages of the Black Santa Hat + Partyhats, based on the past 10 confirmed trades. After all, a scammer/price manipulator will always be a scammer/price manipulator. It was a lot safer to assume this, than risk these players re-offending.



The problem is the owners/admins of this so-called established FC have run it into the ground with overly strict rules. 99% of the time there is no chat, due to no off-topic allowed, the only function is PCing and the majority of the time there is no PCer, just an admin that says refer to forums, and kicks for off-topic. This alone has allowed the new fc to thrive.

The reason we are so strict is to try to minimize all manipulation. That means no talking about trends. Also, if you've spent any time in the FC, you can understand maybe why some of us are strict. It's actually sad to be honest, but what can you do? There isn't much we can do. It's usually (painfully) easy to tell who is being malicious, while there are people who have no idea how the FC works.

People were ill informed by the malicious. We've had these rules for years, by the way. We ran nothing to the ground.

Most merchers from who I have spoken, actually come to this 'so-called established FC', some even to say they prefer my lists. All I want is for my price checks to become more well known, that way I can help others.

In these troubling days where manipulation has become more commonplace, people with smart minds know exactly what is going on.

I have been price checking for about almost half of the year... from what I've learnt from this community, is that you absolutely 100% need to do research.

Hope this helps.
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25-Nov-2019 12:12:51 - Last edited on 25-Nov-2019 12:19:35 by Aegis XIII

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This thread is pretty useless. Most of it is common knowledge. The “PC FCs” are highly manipulated and used for specific players with alts to trade within a circle. This causes prices fluctuate until those merchers manipulate to the price they want. No one knows when to tell if a trade is actually fake or not, they just assume. If a trade happens that’s outside the PC FCs “guided” ranges, then they send a band of basement dwelling 13 year olds to attack that said person who sold a hat for a few hundred to a bill or less than what is “advertised”. Either way, there’s no way to stop any of these manipulators. They use discord’s, friends, alts, lurers, and more to fake trades for fake prices. The only way to fix it is to take the cap off GE/Money. But it’ll never happen. Helping 'Scapers with accurate prices!

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25-Nov-2019 17:23:14

Aecka
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Aegis XIII said :
The reason we are so strict is to try to minimize all manipulation. That means no talking about trends. Also, if you've spent any time in the FC, you can understand maybe why some of us are strict. It's actually sad to be honest, but what can you do? There isn't much we can do. It's usually (painfully) easy to tell who is being malicious, while there are people who have no idea how the FC works.

People were ill informed by the malicious. We've had these rules for years, by the way. We ran nothing to the ground.

Most merchers from who I have spoken, actually come to this 'so-called established FC', some even to say they prefer my lists. All I want is for my price checks to become more well known, that way I can help others.

In these troubling days where manipulation has become more commonplace, people with smart minds know exactly what is going on.

I have been price checking for about almost half of the year... from what I've learnt from this community, is that you absolutely 100% need to do research.

Hope this helps.

and I'd count me as one of the ones that like your list. The problem is, I came to you in the FC, to ask about your "personally compiled list" to see if there was a specific reason you left a price out and all you did is refer me to contact some other player that was offline and uncontactable from my perspective. If you personally compiled then you can surely answer that, even if it was via PM yourself. It is this sort of thing that really puts people off, you don't need to be so cold about it.
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25-Nov-2019 19:23:52 - Last edited on 25-Nov-2019 19:26:10 by Aecka

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