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OrderedEight
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Ok so once you have enough money to buy all the BIS gear then what would you spend your money on? this is why rares are around because they are such an important part of this game, giving players something to continue to work for and give them a goal. Especially for players that are not good at PvM. Everyone has different goals in this game. Some people love discontinued items, I happen to be one of them. Just because you decide you dont like them doesnt mean they should be available to all players. that is what makes them special. Spend the time and make the money to afford a phat and you wouldnt want them to just start getting handed out now would you?

30-Jul-2022 03:10:31

MangaFreak
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honestly no, i wouldn't really care because it's literally just a game. i've already stated on a different thread that if you decide to invest your money in some pixelated paper hats then by all means go ahead, but don't get mad if the prices drop.
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30-Jul-2022 03:31:49

OrderedEight
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MangaFreak said :
honestly no, i wouldn't really care because it's literally just a game. i've already stated on a different thread that if you decide to invest your money in some pixelated paper hats then by all means go ahead, but don't get mad if the prices drop.

Don't care if the prices drop, I have what i want already and dont plan on selling. Most of us just think its absurd that the people that cannot afford one are demanding something be done about it because "its not fair".

30-Jul-2022 03:34:07

MangaFreak
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OrderedEight said :
MangaFreak said :
honestly no, i wouldn't really care because it's literally just a game. i've already stated on a different thread that if you decide to invest your money in some pixelated paper hats then by all means go ahead, but don't get mad if the prices drop.

Don't care if the prices drop, I have what i want already and dont plan on selling. Most of us just think its absurd that the people that cannot afford one are demanding something be done about it because "its not fair".

oh i'm just saying it's not worth getting mad over. it's just a game.
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30-Jul-2022 04:32:31

Tuffty
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I think Bank Bidders would be fun. But not how much you pay as in bid the most you win. Only the super rich will have any chance. Yes it's a massive risk to them and yes they could lose millions or billions. So anyone who bids it's a random winner.

Even if you bid 1gp or 10 billion. It's still random who wins.

I was looking forward to them. Also remember not every banned account had rares. So the number of rares that could come back is still low. So low it's hard to put a number on them.

Unless Jagex said 20 banned accounts have 1 or more rare items on we will never know even if you win it who ever won will pad it out and say wow I got 5-10 santas or what ever. I know I would to save face if I'd paid 10-20 billion for a banned account. After all who wants to pay that much to end up with a 100m account lol. Risk = Rewards. Comprehensive Account Security
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30-Jul-2022 07:30:10 - Last edited on 30-Jul-2022 07:31:45 by Tuffty

Dr Goldfire
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Tuffty said :
I think Bank Bidders would be fun. But not how much you pay as in bid the most you win. Only the super rich will have any chance. Yes it's a massive risk to them and yes they could lose millions or billions. So anyone who bids it's a random winner.

Even if you bid 1gp or 10 billion. It's still random who wins.

I was looking forward to them. Also remember not every banned account had rares. So the number of rares that could come back is still low. So low it's hard to put a number on them.

Unless Jagex said 20 banned accounts have 1 or more rare items on we will never know even if you win it who ever won will pad it out and say wow I got 5-10 santas or what ever. I know I would to save face if I'd paid 10-20 billion for a banned account. After all who wants to pay that much to end up with a 100m account lol. Risk = Rewards.
Still, it would be a sort of gambling which IMO Jagex has been against for years. Risk of overbidding and then getting something of much lower value could be eliminated simply:
1. lift current max cash limit
2. manually put rares from perm-banned accounts into the GE
3. let market do the rest of the job (let's say should the supply of actively circulating rares grow by like 2x 3x 5x 8x or whatever x, market would certainly find the most correct new prices)
(4.) after the 3 above steps bidding could be fun and a little bit more fair
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30-Jul-2022 17:29:35

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OrderedEight said :
They want to control the manipulation that happens with the price. that is why they are rasing the g.e limit to they can be traded within the g.e. and the price can go off of that rather than by what a few players decide to report.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDnOJIxy21U

At 32:25, Jagex say "If I can't get the value out of a boss kill because of how the system works, that's a bit ridiculous; we need to fix that. Looking at partyhats is a slightly separate problem. Obviously they will be tradeable on the GE as well, but because the supply and the number of them is so low, and the price of them has become so inflated, we are going to looking at them in particular and deciding what to do about them as a separate problem from, like, rare boss drops . Every time we talk about the economy, it wreaks havoc on the economy, right? So I'm very wary of saying anything in particular at this stage; but those are two separate problems and we do want to look at them. "

No one knows yet how the separate discontinued items 'problem' will be resolved, but raising the GE & coin pouch cash limit isn't anything to do with discontinued items. If the price inflated due to such a low supply, there is speculation that somehow they're going to resolve this 'problem' by increasing the supply.


OrderedEight said :
A partyhat is an end game item that everyone is not supposed to be able to afford.
Also incorrect, which is why from Bunny Ears onwards - the Gower brothers decided that holiday items would be untradeable going forward:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Update:Happy_Easter

Whist I do agree that they are end-game items, I disagree that they're something that "everyone is not supposed to be able to afford". Not only are they unaffordable, they are unobtainable for most.
On 2nd March 2009, a Purple partyhat was 72m. An Armadyl hilt was 62m.

Why should they be so unobtainable now?

31-Jul-2022 00:58:16

Andrew Smith
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King Wulfe said :
OrderedEight said :
So what happens if someone appeals a ban and it gets removed and their account comes back? All their wealth goes missing? They quash perm bans all the time. If that person gets their account back does that mean they should give their rares back that they sold in the g.e.?

Talking about perma ban accounts. You know as well as I do there are bans that you cannot appeal.

Actually Jagex has allowed mass-appeals before, albeit the time I remember was after the player base transitioned from teenagers to young adults. A large percentage of players fell within a age bracket where, ehh maybe in their younger (rebellious years) they broke in game rules.

Knowing that the game has a struggle of getting new blood to play. I can see Jagex doing mass unbans in the future (or giving appeal uses back) so I agree with Orderedeight. I mean as a conscience Jagex, us or whomever can rationalize “Oh well, loosing rares is part of the punishment too”

To be fair such a thing should be announced NOW so future rule breakers have that possibility looming, better than retroactively removing banned player’s rares.

31-Jul-2022 01:38:43

The Atlantis
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ZaryteBow said :
Jagex stated they want to make phats more affordable. It's better to get them from banned accounts than to have them rereleased

Please post a source to this, because they never said it. What they mentioned was the market and high prices, which is because of inflation.. As I've said 10000 times by now

31-Jul-2022 15:24:05

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