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Vengeance of
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I wasn't expecting a big rework like this for such a recent skill. I know it's a skill that a lot of people have been vocal in disliking, but still, in terms of a hypothetical order that I expected skills to be reworked, I don't think Divination would have cracked the top 10.

The changes look pretty interesting. It seems like Jagex has decided that Archaeology's and post-Rework Mining's formula of allowing AFKing while rewarding active play is a winner, and I suspect it means that we should expect similar changes for other Gathering skills in the coming years. I won't be surprised if Fishing in particular follows suit in the near future, especially with how close of a mechanic Sailfish currently have.

29-Apr-2021 16:12:18

Pulseironic
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Well I'm intrigued by it. Been doing a one skill challenge and getting phasmatite without access to dungeons or morytania was harrowing. Being able to transmute it would actually make me ok doing that challenge on hardcore. Just gotta figure out how to get the energy needed safely.

29-Apr-2021 21:06:39

Pulseironic
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Well I'm intrigued by it. Been doing a one skill challenge and getting phasmatite without access to dungeons or morytania was harrowing. Being able to transmute it would actually make me ok doing that challenge on hardcore. Just gotta figure out how to get the energy needed safely.

29-Apr-2021 21:06:41

Dilbert2001
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Vengeance of said :
I wasn't expecting a big rework like this for such a recent skill. I know it's a skill that a lot of people have been vocal in disliking, but still, in terms of a hypothetical order that I expected skills to be reworked, I don't think Divination would have cracked the top 10.

The changes look pretty interesting. It seems like Jagex has decided that Archaeology's and post-Rework Mining's formula of allowing AFKing while rewarding active play is a winner, and I suspect it means that we should expect similar changes for other Gathering skills in the coming years. I won't be surprised if Fishing in particular follows suit in the near future, especially with how close of a mechanic Sailfish currently have.


Big "rework"? But this is not a just a rework but more like a re-purpose of the skill.

What is the problem with AFK training anyway? Fishing and Woodcutting for most parts are more AFK than Divination anyway.

30-Apr-2021 01:45:48

Vengeance of
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"Rework" might have been a poor choice of words on my part. Though, a lot of the changes described are fairly major changes to the fundamentals of the skill.

I didn't mean to imply that AFK training was a bad thing. My comment was meant as more of an observation that Jagex has seemingly stumbled upon a formula for Gathering skills that they really like with post-M/S rework Mining, Archaeology, and now Divination (including allowing more flexibility to AFK while still rewarding players playing attention), and that it seems likely they will probably apply it to the other Gathering skills in due time.

30-Apr-2021 01:56:18

Dilbert2001
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Vengeance of said :
"Rework" might have been a poor choice of words on my part. Though, a lot of the changes described are fairly major changes to the fundamentals of the skill.

I didn't mean to imply that AFK training was a bad thing. My comment was meant as more of an observation that Jagex has seemingly stumbled upon a formula for Gathering skills that they really like with post-M/S rework Mining, Archaeology, and now Divination (including allowing more flexibility to AFK while still rewarding players playing attention), and that it seems likely they will probably apply it to the other Gathering skills in due time.


Yes, they made a lot of changes to divination, but changes are not always rework as they don't merely add more kinds of wisps and more location. They aren't just adding more rewards either. They are turning single player divination into community training too.

Of course Jagex is trying to make their game more sit back and relax, hence the more AFK part. Otherwise why do they want to create signs of the porters? Obviously needs for banking is far worse than AFK training in term of encouraging social interaction. :)

30-Apr-2021 02:13:56

Asterrameth
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I'm a solo player unless I am ever able to find people wanting to do PC.

grouping with players for div is not going to do it for me. At least I wont be chasing wisps all over the map for the spring to vanish before i get a single memory anymore. That is nice at least

30-Apr-2021 06:28:54

Dilbert2001
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Asterrameth said :
I'm a solo player unless I am ever able to find people wanting to do PC.

grouping with players for div is not going to do it for me. At least I wont be chasing wisps all over the map for the spring to vanish before i get a single memory anymore. That is nice at least


But explicitly grouping isn't needed. We don't have to look for groups or use the grouping systems. We don't need to join a clan. We just need to stay closer to each other to benefit ourselves and the others at the same time.

30-Apr-2021 17:29:24

Asterrameth
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Dilbert2001 said :
Asterrameth said :
I'm a solo player unless I am ever able to find people wanting to do PC.

grouping with players for div is not going to do it for me. At least I wont be chasing wisps all over the map for the spring to vanish before i get a single memory anymore. That is nice at least


But explicitly grouping isn't needed. We don't have to look for groups or use the grouping systems. We don't need to join a clan. We just need to stay closer to each other to benefit ourselves and the others at the same time.


i mean I wont say you are wrong because you arent but historically, from my own personal observations, the vast vast hypermajority of the times, im talking huge massive percentages well into the 90's, when I am doing div - I am by myself. It is very rare for a single other person to be there too.

So to get the multiplayer benefits I have to go to a overly crowded Div world or as a solo player just accept most of the update as a non event. Thats all I meant. Its probably great for those people who want to be in a crowd with chat going nuts and stuff. Its not for me though.

30-Apr-2021 23:23:44

Rikornak
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Asterrameth said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Asterrameth said :
I'm a solo player unless I am ever able to find people wanting to do PC.

grouping with players for div is not going to do it for me. At least I wont be chasing wisps all over the map for the spring to vanish before i get a single memory anymore. That is nice at least


But explicitly grouping isn't needed. We don't have to look for groups or use the grouping systems. We don't need to join a clan. We just need to stay closer to each other to benefit ourselves and the others at the same time.


i mean I wont say you are wrong because you arent but historically, from my own personal observations, the vast vast hypermajority of the times, im talking huge massive percentages well into the 90's, when I am doing div - I am by myself. It is very rare for a single other person to be there too.

So to get the multiplayer benefits I have to go to a overly crowded Div world or as a solo player just accept most of the update as a non event. Thats all I meant. Its probably great for those people who want to be in a crowd with chat going nuts and stuff. Its not for me though.


That's not really the case. To max out a spring you need 4 more players. And if Jagex is doing the community buff right, it would exactly work like it does for archaeology - being global.

I think the great part of it is - nobody would be standing worse than before - instead of a spring time of 2-20 seconds you will have springs lasting for a full minute even while being alone, which could be extended by 30 more seconds by either using the divination cape or the memorial perk. And then other players could deliver a bit more of time - basically changing it from an activity, which deems other players as neutral at best and bad at worst to one you would be happy to see another soul doing divination.
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