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Milly Corvus
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Dilbert2001 said :

We can create runes from energies too, or we can perhaps transmute old runes into new ones. Remember we have Smoke, Shadow, Blood and Ice spells but these are not the only ancient elements. From City of Senntisten we have learned of the 5th element and an ancient protection spell that Azzanadra said even Zaros didn't know.

There are a lot of things in the 1st Age we don't know yet, perhaps that why we need Necromancy to communicate with the pre-historic ancestors.

It's true that little is known about the first age. But we also know that Oreb, Nomad's mentor who later became the Magister, came from Teragard, the Human home world. He was exiled from there for his necromantic practices and studying the power of human souls. Runes do not exist in worlds other than Gielinor, because they were created by Guthix so that everyone could use magic.

This not only gives precedent for Necromancy being performed without Runes, but even magic in general. The Succession quest showed us that there are NPCs who are experimenting with combining the 4 primary forms of magic into something new and unheard of. Teragardian "Soul Sorcery," Kolodion's Thaumaphagy, and Mah's divine God energy in the form of the Mahjarrat sustaining ritual.

Leaving the latter 2 aside, Teragardian Soul Sorcery is likely the closest thing to Necromancy in the form we are likely to experience as a skill, and it is vastly different from what we know of as Zarosian Necromancy that only manipulates corpses. We also know from various dialogues in game that Necromancy is nothing akin to Summoning as we know it as well.

07-Jan-2023 23:59:40

Dilbert2001
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Milly Corvus said :
Dilbert2001 said :

We can create runes from energies too, or we can perhaps transmute old runes into new ones. Remember we have Smoke, Shadow, Blood and Ice spells but these are not the only ancient elements. From City of Senntisten we have learned of the 5th element and an ancient protection spell that Azzanadra said even Zaros didn't know.

There are a lot of things in the 1st Age we don't know yet, perhaps that why we need Necromancy to communicate with the pre-historic ancestors.

It's true that little is known about the first age. But we also know that Oreb, Nomad's mentor who later became the Magister, came from Teragard, the Human home world. He was exiled from there for his necromantic practices and studying the power of human souls. Runes do not exist in worlds other than Gielinor, because they were created by Guthix so that everyone could use magic.

This not only gives precedent for Necromancy being performed without Runes, but even magic in general. The Succession quest showed us that there are NPCs who are experimenting with combining the 4 primary forms of magic into something new and unheard of. Teragardian "Soul Sorcery," Kolodion's Thaumaphagy, and Mah's divine God energy in the form of the Mahjarrat sustaining ritual.

Leaving the latter 2 aside, Teragardian Soul Sorcery is likely the closest thing to Necromancy in the form we are likely to experience as a skill, and it is vastly different from what we know of as Zarosian Necromancy that only manipulates corpses. We also know from various dialogues in game that Necromancy is nothing akin to Summoning as we know it as well.

Guthix crafted runestones from the Stone of Jas. The runes we are using since the 4th Age were created by mortal from rune essences, not runestones.

08-Jan-2023 03:50:57

Milly Corvus
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You miss the point. Oreb, the prodigal master of Necromancy, who was even consulted by Moia during the Succession quest, comes from and learned his craft from a world without any knowledge of Runes of any variety.

During the quest we find "magical residue" which Adrasteia examines:
"Hmm, this seems to be the lingering residue of some powerful magic. Not normal rune magic either ."

In the Library, we see information about Necromancy as well, and in the same vein we find they are researching it alongside the Soul Sorcery and the Corruption.

Nothing about any of this should make anyone think that runes are going to be at the core of Necromancy. Even if someone were to suggest that Soul Runes would be used, Adrasteia says in the Soul Altar portion:
"I'm not keen on anyone dealing with something like that. I know soul runes aren't actually stolen human souls, but still, unpleasant."

08-Jan-2023 05:01:43

Vengeance of
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Hillmonger said :
My guess is that Malignus Mortifer will become necromancy tutor and cape seller.

Malignius is the one I'm hoping for (he's one of only a few necromancers that we've encountered that's never tried to kill us), but I actually think the Magister will end up being the tutor. He's one of the most powerful necromancers we've ever encountered (and possibly the second most powerful that's still alive, though I think Zemoregal is stronger), he's confirmed to still be alive in the future during Once Upon a Time in Gielinor so he's got the type of plot armour that any good skill tutor should have (admittedly that didn't save Turael back in the day, but still), and most importantly he's been heavily tied into many of the plot arcs that we'll likely need to learn Necromancy to continue (he worked with Xau-Tak, he's tied into the Desert plotline, and he played a major supporting role in the Age of Chaos storyline).

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the Fort Forinthry quests has us rescue him from Jerrod and Moia's forces, and he ends up teaching us Necromancy as a way to help stop whatever scheme Moia is cooking up now that she's in charge of the Zamorakians.

08-Jan-2023 05:11:55 - Last edited on 08-Jan-2023 05:12:34 by Vengeance of

Dilbert2001
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Milly Corvus said :
You miss the point. Oreb, the prodigal master of Necromancy, who was even consulted by Moia during the Succession quest, comes from and learned his craft from a world without any knowledge of Runes of any variety.

During the quest we find "magical residue" which Adrasteia examines:
"Hmm, this seems to be the lingering residue of some powerful magic. Not normal rune magic either ."

In the Library, we see information about Necromancy as well, and in the same vein we find they are researching it alongside the Soul Sorcery and the Corruption.

Nothing about any of this should make anyone think that runes are going to be at the core of Necromancy. Even if someone were to suggest that Soul Runes would be used, Adrasteia says in the Soul Altar portion:
"I'm not keen on anyone dealing with something like that. I know soul runes aren't actually stolen human souls, but still, unpleasant."

You missed the point. Guthix crafted runestones out of the Stone of Jas didn't mean he invented runes and branches of magic like necromancy. Other gods and mortals probably had made use of runestones to invent their own magics.

There is no indication Guthix invented all the Ancient Magics the Mahjarrat and Zaros and Seren use, as well as necromancy. There is no indication Guthix even knew necromancy. Otherwise, why didn't he resurrect Hezelmere?

Likewise, The Magister can raise human undead perhaps, but what about the deceased in Erebus? We knew from Azzanadra when Mahjarrat die they go to Erebus and nobody has returned to tell us about it until us World Guardian became the first.

The magic runes we are using in the 5th and 6th Ages have totally nothing to do with Guthix and The Magister. They are the modern inventions of mortals since the 4th Age. They evolved the old runestones and created new and more powerful forms of magics, the new necromancy we are going to learn soon may be one of them.

08-Jan-2023 15:50:06 - Last edited on 08-Jan-2023 16:17:43 by Dilbert2001

Aslon Dak

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Deltaslug said :
The ability to make an ex-ex-ex-parrot ..... or would it be an ex-ex-ex-ex-parrot?
+1

As I recall, the pet shop owner was right out of parrots...but he did have a slug. ;)

Maybe through Necromancy, we could solve the problem of those dead bishops on the landing. Perhaps we should call the church police... Aslon Dak: Still 'Scaping after 19 years!
You can buy XP. You can't buy experience.
"...From The 'Scape" is very nearly here.

10-Jan-2023 05:13:04

DarthChosen
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one of the main reasons people thought about runes was the teaser title screen with the words necromancy imbedded with runes we havnt seen before.

also as for the magic part if you go way back there was good magic and evil magic and necromancy is considered evil or bad.

the definition of necromancy also talks about divination which could use new energies.

there is alot of things we can speculate about necromancy but in my opinion it wont have much to do with combat and instead be a support kind of skill like arch was to so many other skills. necromancy and summoning are not the same thing even though people like to say its summoning 2.0. anyways thats my thinking. pssst....we know who you are. Hail Sithis!

10-Jan-2023 14:14:51

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