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Tagakhlo
Sep Member 2014

Tagakhlo

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Apparently, back in the last Game Jam, the idea of a big expansion to the Wilderness was floated.
I just learned about this now, seeing a video on YouTube which mentioned a tweet by Mod Soffit. Apparently, this concept has been fleshed out considerably.
I applaud any additions to the game in general. One thing I liked was that there would be a 'safe area' added to the Wilderness, which makes sense if it's going to be considerably expanded in size.
But there is, of course, one thing that bothers me.
The Wilderness is much less active than it had been at the start of the game. Most players just see no way to fight back and survive if attacked - so Wilderness combat only means being at the mercy of griefers and so on. So except for the briefest of journeys, while wearing no valuable gear, players just don't really see much point in entering the Wilderness any longer.
Why was it different before? I'm not an expert on the dynamics of the game in the early days, but I would think that there are both long-time players and people working for Jagex who do know the answer, even if it's not quite clear how to make changes in the game that have the effect of changing things back to what they were.
Putting more attractive things in the Wilderness may help, but I think that it will only help far too little to make the effort worthwhile if the real underlying issue isn't addressed.
Based on what little I know, I favor taking the drastic measure of making at least one world (one would be enough, but most worlds would make better sense) where there is no PvP in the Wilderness, but revenants instead, as things were for a while.
Yes, I know a lot of players didn't like that, and were glad to have PvP back, but Wilderness PvP still just isn't working.

23-Apr-2022 19:33:59

Smasherley
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Whilst the Wild isn't dead content for a tiny number of people, it is dead for the vast majority who have intergrated well with EOC.

For me who voted in favour there really wasn't a choice in the matter I really did not want to vote for the wildy return but the restrictions to trading were a pain in the ass.

It dragged the economy down, it was horrible and the wildy was literally just an extra to ending an evil layout process.

There are a couple of things I want.

The chaos ele collection, revenant pets, lava strykewyrms drops which aren't in ed2. I don't because I don't like power creep scape of rs3 and how unblanced eoc is with legacy, it's atrociously bad, being attacked by players whilst doing pvm is not fun, it's a nuisance that 99% of people don't need or want in their gameplay

The fix in my view are certain worlds specifically for PVP, where PVP is active for people that want it. Disagreers only want to be a nuisance to others and have the opportunity to steal drops.

The chaos ele should be instanceable, in its own cave like the corp and safe from PVP. I don't care if they buff it but I wan't to be able to gear with reletive safety

I also want they ability to put Strykewyrms and revs in the Sunkern Pyramid. Even if all the other things remain, you have to get these for the slayer log, reaping the reward of killing it in the safety of your own dungeon, should be a QoL the player CAN achieve.

PVP is a nuisance in RS3, it's not a accepted content which most players would miss. It's also a colossal portion of the world map which lies practically dead 90% of the time in most worlds cus players have no reason to waste their time if not for "completionism"

There will be disagreements, the same people who wanted Mobilising armies to stay but never played it and wasn't going to.

Things need to change, but I don't think global pvp content enforced is the way forward

It should be toggleable like Bandos Vs Armadyl - YOUR CHOICE to have it on or not

25-Apr-2022 10:24:25

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Quick note: This is the RS3 Forum. OSRS has a different area.

Now, for RS3, devs have talked about doing something for RS3 since it is also deader than dead. Thing is they don't have a concept on what to do, so it stays stagnant.

They floated one thing like they did lore wise with Anachornia and bringing back Forinthy (Area is lush and foresty againt). But with the canonical destruction of the Needle and Elder Gods dealt with, that won't happen or at least more difficult to do so.

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25-Apr-2022 22:14:58

Colossus823
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I received a lot of hate because I voted no. Already back then, you could predict the only thing pking would kill would be the Wilderness. Pkers were always a loud minority who depended on shouting down others rather than logic.

We got this idealised picture of pkers who adopt a high risk, high reward attitude. That griefers are the deviants. But it is the reverse. Most pkers only like the high reward, not the high risk. They rely on other players who are not fully prepared for a pk fight to easily steamroll them and earn easy cash on the backs of hard-working players.

Pkers had Bounty Worlds, where you could either pk in the Wilderness only or in the whole world. Still they asked for the return of old Wilderness. It's pretty easy why: there were no skillers or PvMers on those worlds, only other pkers. And that's riskier.

Non-PvP worlds will devastate the griefing model of pking, and whole pking with it. Honourable pkers go after griefers, but without those cowards, they need to fight other well-trained pkers. And that's riskier. Pking in EoC isn't worth the risk anymore.

So, let's just undo the mistake of the vote and revert back to how things were.
Nothing to see here.

25-Apr-2022 23:41:41

Tagakhlo
Sep Member 2014

Tagakhlo

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Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that the wilderness expansion was an idea for OSRS.

Maybe it was. Since I didn't see OSRS explicitly mentioned, I assumed it was for RS3, but certainly it would make more sense in OSRS, since the Wilderness still works better there.
References in this thread to having voted on the wilderness expansion would seem to indicate that it's for OSRS, but on the other hand, what I saw implied that the whole concept of this expansion, after the idea of an expansion was floated at RuneFest, was secret until now. Normally, I thought some details are presented when people vote in OSRS.
Certainly, the vision of a Wilderness expansion in Mod Soffit's tweet sounded very attractive - as something to have in RS3 - if only the Wilderness wasn't broken.

26-Apr-2022 17:30:44

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