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Stinker276
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I say this as someone who has not successfully PK'd since PVP worlds were a thing:
Please don't make the wildy opt in PVP. Sure, most PKers are scumbag opportunists but that extra danger balances out the materials coming out of the wilderness and means that careful play can be very rewarding.

28-Apr-2022 00:57:53

Da Dope Pope
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Wow, no other group of players quite get run down like the pk'ers huh

And the last few of em still going at it, every1 wants to chop em off at the knee's.

Shame they're actually debating making the whole map, Pvm anywhere, everywhere, over there!

Wildy slaying, skilling, or just out walking ur grandma?

Scared a pk'er will look ur way? and u might have to cross the street to avoid em?

Or worse yet? They, they, they might touch you?

Fear not my fragile ladies n gentlemen, just opt-out!

:P

05-May-2022 16:42:16

Pachuli714
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Just my two cents' worth...

Personally, I love the idea of an opt-in for Wildy. I have always hated the idea of PVP in any game. Never been a rabid "go-out-and-kill-whoever-you find-just-to-prove-your-the-big-boy-on-the-playground" crap. Fair fights with willing opponents is one thing. Lying in wait to take down some skiller who has absolutely no interest in fighting is another.

So yeah. But one thing worries me. That this opt-in thing will come with strings or conditions attached. If they do and they are not acceptable, hey, I can continue to avoid Wildy just fine, thanks. Or enter it with absolutely nothing on me so PKers waste nothing but their own time in killing me. Heck, I'll even stand still for them and cheer them on. Idiots should be humored.

As for the insults thrown at players who choose not to engage in PVP, yeah, thick skin here and I could care less what you think mostly because you could care less what I think. Bullies have always been encouraged in games like this and that's never going to change. What they can't get through their thick heads though is that you prove absolutely nothing by beating up on someone who isn't interested in a fight. You just make yourselves out to be jerks who end up with little to show for your efforts other than continuing to be perfect examples of jerks.

11-May-2022 08:23:26

Terian
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I am also completely in favor of opt-in pvp, precisely because if you enjoy PvP, then you can simply turn it on and go at it, and for those (large chunk) of us that enjoy the skilling/PvM/PvE aspect can still enjoy the fruits of what the Wildy has to offer without being engaged in a activity that gives zero pleasure and causes anxiety. It hurts no one and benefits those that want to PvP, so instead of guessing some random person wants to PvP and end up making them have a bad experience, anyone that has it opted in has a nice big target on them instead. It's a game after all and we are all here to enjoy our time, why not implement a change that will help more people have fun :)
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14-May-2022 08:28:21

H 1 L D A
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Unfortunately, Terian - the mean appeal of the Wilderness today for Pkers isn't the ability to fight other players. There are other places where such content takes place - if at all, considering that a larger problem that Jagex has on their hands isn't that the Wilderness isn't hopping with activity - it's that PvP hasn't been enjoyable for all but a scant few since the Evolution of Combat was released.

I'm not opposed to this update in theory - there are plenty of things that would be fun - such as getting to skill safely while watching a high stakes fight should one take place as a spectator, or being able to score a kill with an audience on the other side of the coin - as well as several important lore and gameplay updates that could be easily embraced.

However, the big argument Pkers should have here is that without an assurance from Jagex that PvP is something they care about and are willing to spend time on in the future to get right - This update runs the risk of making PvP less fun for Pkers by further removing PvP options (remember, the Duel Arena was axed this year as well) and targets.

Finally, it's important to understand that the Wilderness isn't a mere PvP arena. It's an area of the map that is the way it is both in gameplay measures and in-universe. It's enjoyable for people who enjoy Pking, but also for Skillers that enjoy taking certain degrees of risks.

The -right- way to go about this update is to try and minimize the amount of players that would enter the Wilderness without opting out of PvP by offering balanced incentives that present a genuine choice. Do you want to be able to skill safely with slightly less efficiency and chances at certain rewards, or do you want to take the risk and maximize your efficiency and reward potential? Naturally, it would need to be balanced, so as to not feel like a force-in or lack of choice.

Without assurance, clarity, and incentive, this update will fail.
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Scombridus
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Da Dope Pope said :
Wow, no other group of players quite get run down like the pk'ers huh

And the last few of em still going at it, every1 wants to chop em off at the knee's.

Shame they're actually debating making the whole map, Pvm anywhere, everywhere, over there!

Wildy slaying, skilling, or just out walking ur grandma?

Scared a pk'er will look ur way? and u might have to cross the street to avoid em?

Or worse yet? They, they, they might touch you?

Fear not my fragile ladies n gentlemen, just opt-out!

:P
"Meta-game to survive" has always been the rule of PVP in any game, and it's why so many players despise it.

Also in regard to the OP mentioning special wilderness materials.. most wilderness mats haven't been worth going after for a long time. It's risk vs reward but with less of a reward than in PVE areas.

14-May-2022 22:07:51

H 1 L D A
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Scombridus said :

Also in regard to the OP mentioning special wilderness materials.. most wilderness mats haven't been worth going after for a long time. It's risk vs reward but with less of a reward than in PVE areas.

This is true. Most average resources in the Wilderness do have safer in-game alternatives.

However, items that are exclusive to the Wilderness are often the areas where skillers run into Pkers. Searing Ashes, Charming Moths, Cursed Energy, Ancient Warriors equipment (namely the Statius Warhammer for certain Melee EoF usage) are all very decent unique Wilderness resources to this day.

As for the actual reward long term? That's something that is certainly in flux. It's possible Jagex has boosted drop rates on whatever new monsters they will introduce (the roadmap does say PvM-focused, it could be a hint at Wilderness bosses a la OSRS) for players that also opt-in to PvP. Whatever drop value may come from those bosses may also be generated solely on the danger posed by the bosses themselves and the environmental dangers Jagex hopes to implement to replace Pkers.

It's not like this update is strictly about removing PvP should players opt-out. It's supposed to be an exciting rework of the area too.
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Jaekob Caed
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I'm okay with it only because the Wildy as it currently exists is completely dead. If Jagex can revitalize the area as a PVE and opt-in PVP zone, then I'm totally cool with it because that will breathe some new life into an area that was once this game's most popular region. ~
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