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Ian Adler
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Ian Adler

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Dilbert2001 said :
@Ian Adler

I still don't get your stance on Marimbo. Do you now see that she could have found the Horn in continental Gielinor in the 2nd Age but not the East in the 5th Age as you speculated? A reminder though, I didn't forget the lore like you claimed. Re-read Post 5 on Page 2 again please, what you wrote on Marimbo's ascension was exactly what I wrote there. Another reminder, there is no evidence of any sign of Ape Atoll equivalence in the East, not even a monkey bone or monkey hair is either found or mentioned anywhere in the Eastern Land in fact.

Your reasoning holds, but not insofar as the Desert stands. That Marimbo finds the Horn in the West in the 2nd Age is reasonable, and we know that she loses it prior to her departure in the 3rd Age when the Edicts were established. Which means it is incredibly likely that she lost it in the East because, as you said, "Gielinoreans didn't start to travel until the 4th Age. They didn't even discover Karamja until the 4th Age when they began to sail, and they only found the Arc in the 5th Age." Hence who else but a deity could have brought it there for it to later be found by Quin? Per your own reasoning there is no way the Horn could have migrated from the Desert to The Pincers because the Kharidian–Zarosian War was in the 2nd Age, before there was any mortal travel between East and West. Meaning that if it was in the Desert during that period it would have stayed there unless a diety brought it East, and no Desert deity would have.

As to your question regarding there being no sign of Marimbo in the East, the fact is that there might be. Not in the Arc, but that proves little seeing how far away The Pincers are even from there. Even that there no evidence of monkeys means little, as Marimbo is the the goddess of hedonism - not monkeys specifically.

If this does not suit you, them answer this simple question: How do you think the Horn got to The Pincers?
Saradominist
World Guardian
emeritus
My first loyalty is to protecting Gielinor. My second is to the patron of the Myreque.
My third is to
Tumeken
and the bloodline of Senliten.

30-Apr-2020 19:03:40

Dilbert2001
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Dilbert2001

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@Ian Adler

There could be over 9000 ways the Horn could go from where Marimbo found it (Ape Atoll? Desert? or whereever you can think of. And don't forget Marimbo could have lost it anywhere in continental Gielinor (e.g. Cabbage Facepunch) to somebody like a Mavario in the 3rd Age and that person either carried it to the Eastern Land or lost it again to somebody else.

Being a "god" also doesn't necessarily mean Marimbo could teleport to any place she wanted before she physical reached there first. "Gods" are not omnipresence in Gielinor. Even Marimbo became a "god" in the 3rd Age, presumably nobody or monkeys have reached the Eastern Land until at least the 4th or even the 5th Age, so Marimbo would still be stuck in continental Gielinor in the 3rd Age.

30-Apr-2020 19:17:51

Ian Adler
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Ian Adler

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Dilbert2001 said :
@Ian Adler

Which part did you not understand how the Horn works and Quin used it to control the minds of the sea creatures? Why couldn't Tumuken did the same to the Zarosians, wipe out their memories like Kharshai and commanded them to go back to Kharid-et and sleep there?That fits perfectly what the memory of Kharshai told us - no dead remains except ashes which Tumeken and Mahjarrat wouldn't drop, no sight of anything including Tumeken, and he lost his memory. And how did Guthix connect to it? Quite simple, he wanted to end the Desert War in the 2nd Age as much as he did to the God War in the 3rd Age. So he gave Tumeken the Horn or told him where he hid it. Don't forget from Tears of Guthix we knew he cried about the scourged desert but the God War didn't take part in the desert so Guthix is absolutely connected to the desert before the 3rd Age God War. What Guthix did in the 3rd Age to end the God War could just be deja vu of what Tumeken did in the 2nd Age to end the Desert War.

The Horn did not grant Quin the ability to control the minds of the sea creatures, it enhanced her natural ability to do so and to the point that she could control an army of them. Remember that all Sirens can control sea creatures via seasinging. As to the rest, we know for a clear fact that Guthix went to sleep at the end of the First Age, and there is neither record, hint, nor rumor that he ever knew Tumeken. Guthix slept right through the Kharidian–Zarosian War from start to finish.

Listen, we do not know enough about Tumeken to speculate intelligently. He and Elidinis are the only major gods left we know next to nothing about. Did Tumeken have and use and Elder Artifact to end Kharidian–Zarosian War? Maybe. Zamorak used the Stone to blast Forinthry, yet Guthix banished all the other gods alone and unaided. Either way, every known and confirmed fact points to the Horn not being in the Desert during that period.
Saradominist
World Guardian
emeritus
My first loyalty is to protecting Gielinor. My second is to the patron of the Myreque.
My third is to
Tumeken
and the bloodline of Senliten.

30-Apr-2020 19:20:02

Ian Adler
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Ian Adler

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Dilbert2001 said :
@Ian Adler

There could be over 9000 ways the Horn could go from where Marimbo found it (Ape Atoll? Desert? or whereever you can think of. And don't forget Marimbo could have lost it anywhere in continental Gielinor (e.g. Cabbage Facepunch) to somebody like a Mavario in the 3rd Age and that person either carried it to the Eastern Land or lost it again to somebody else.

Being a "god" also doesn't necessarily mean Marimbo could teleport to any place she wanted before she physical reached there first. "Gods" are not omnipresence in Gielinor. Even Marimbo became a "god" in the 3rd Age, presumably nobody or monkeys have reached the Eastern Land until at least the 4th or even the 5th Age, so Marimbo would still be stuck in continental Gielinor in the 3rd Age.

We do not know when Marimbo became a goddess. And no, somebody like a Mavario in the 3rd Age could not have carried it East because, per your own words, "Gielinoreans didn't start to travel until the 4th Age. They didn't even discover Karamja until the 4th Age when they began to sail, and they only found the Arc in the 5th Age."

Why are you so fixated on the Horn being involved in the Desert? As shown above, you are beginning to contradict yourself.
Saradominist
World Guardian
emeritus
My first loyalty is to protecting Gielinor. My second is to the patron of the Myreque.
My third is to
Tumeken
and the bloodline of Senliten.

30-Apr-2020 19:23:31 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2020 19:28:03 by Ian Adler

Dilbert2001
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Dilbert2001

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@Ian Adler

Even if you believe the Horn only enhanced Quin powers to control other creatures, couldn't it also enhance Tumeken's powers to control the Mahjarrat and other Zarosians and hence ended the Desert War without anybody getting killed?

Juna clearly told us Guthix was not only aware of the Desert War, but also wept us a minigame:

"Juna:But on His way into the depths of the earth He sat and rested in this cave; and, thinking of the
battle-scarred desert
that now streched from one side of His world to the other, He wept."


Clearly he wasn't sleeping at the time of the trouble of the Desert War or at least through some form of communication in his sleep he knew about it. Actually it would be yet another mystery why Guthix did not wake up in the 2nd Age to stop Zaros.

Besides, it wouldn't matter even if he just hid the Horn and then go to sleep immediately and either he communicated to Tumeken through their dreams about the whereabouts of the Horn or Tumeken just found it by chance.

30-Apr-2020 19:31:02

Dilbert2001
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Dilbert2001

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Ian Adler said :
Dilbert2001 said :
@Ian Adler

There could be over 9000 ways the Horn could go from where Marimbo found it (Ape Atoll? Desert? or whereever you can think of. And don't forget Marimbo could have lost it anywhere in continental Gielinor (e.g. Cabbage Facepunch) to somebody like a Mavario in the 3rd Age and that person either carried it to the Eastern Land or lost it again to somebody else.

Being a "god" also doesn't necessarily mean Marimbo could teleport to any place she wanted before she physical reached there first. "Gods" are not omnipresence in Gielinor. Even Marimbo became a "god" in the 3rd Age, presumably nobody or monkeys have reached the Eastern Land until at least the 4th or even the 5th Age, so Marimbo would still be stuck in continental Gielinor in the 3rd Age.

We do not know when Marimbo became a goddess. And no, somebody like a Mavario in the 3rd Age could not have carried it East because, per your own words, "Gielinoreans didn't start to travel until the 4th Age. They didn't even discover Karamja until the 4th Age when they began to sail, and they only found the Arc in the 5th Age."

Why are you so fixated on the Horn being involved in the Desert? As shown above, you are beginning to contradict yourself.

We knew clearly Marimbo became a goddess before the God War ended, that was the 3rd Age. She left and then returned after The World Wakes. I didn't say somebody like a Mavario found the Horn Marimbo lost in the 3rd Age and immediately go to the East with it. I said somebody like a Mavario could have found it in the 3rd Age, and then either he/she/it went to the East in the 4th or 5th Age or lost it again to yet other people, contemplating the movements of the Stone of Jas.

30-Apr-2020 19:36:00

Dilbert2001
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Dilbert2001

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Mod Osborne had these answers to 2 very interesting questions related to the Desert Quests:

Q: Are there many Elder Artifacts in the Desert?
A: Perhaps - actually, yes.

Q: Are the Desert Pantheon bound by the Edicts officially?
A: Demigods would have to do something tremendous to be affected by the Edicts (if the Edicts exist at all)


https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/179syb/iam_dave_osborne_senior_narrative_designer_at/c83l2l5/

Very interesting indeed... We have Elder Artifact(s) in the desert. Guess what are they? We also know by design, Guthix's Edicts do not exist to the desert gods.

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