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Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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@Ian Adler

I totally disagree with how you try to differentiate 5th and 6th Age storylines. All the Elder Artifacts have been in Gielinor since the First Age. They are not "6th Age elements".

We have clearly seen from the ending of the Pirate Quest Series with 6th Age Elements - Xau-Tak to begin with. What's the problem?

25-Apr-2020 17:58:50

ironpariah

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Is it possible that Osman isn't of the royal bloodline but his daughter is? (He married into the royal bloodline but thought he was legit)

As for the Desert Pantheon: wasn't Tumeken was dead long before Guthix woke up?
As for the rest of the desert pantheon besides the 2 that ferried the dead, it's possible because they were just too weak. They were considered Tier 7. Likely weak enough that mortals could do something to contain them. (not that it would be easy, but definitely doable)

Remember that Guthix had the 2 World Guardians.
One was related to time and had strange perceptions of it.
The player character traveled back in time.
Either way, he could have some way to know that the rest of the desert pantheon needed to remain in order for the timeline to remain stable.

25-Apr-2020 23:18:57 - Last edited on 25-Apr-2020 23:21:45 by ironpariah

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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@ironpariah

Tumeken is highly likely not dead, or at least can be brought back to the desert. There are plenty of hints from the lore in the game and Jmod comments outside the game about his return. Even OP of this thread has brought up that fact.

It seems like most people underestimate the powers of the desert gods. It is understandable because they are seemingly the peace loving kind of gods. However, they are immensely powerful. At least, Itchlarin is so powerful that even the so-called gods like Saradomin are no match if he wanted to fight them, according to Oreb The Magister:

"Another, more active, deity is the one I have encountered many times on my journey back to the Underworld: the dog-like

Icthlarin

.

An interesting sort, obsessed with guarding the souls on their journey to an afterlife. He seems burdened by an ancient guilt; perhaps that is why I feel a sense of kinship with him?

I wonder if he realises the sheer power at his disposal.

If he just wanted... If he just reached out and used the vast energy flowing through his domain on a constant basis,

he could rival any of the other so-called gods.

Even Saradomin himself would fall.

"

26-Apr-2020 01:46:19

Jan

2007

Ian Adler

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ironpariah said :
Is it possible that Osman isn't of the royal bloodline but his daughter is? (He married into the royal bloodline but thought he was legit)

Senliten

directly refereed to Osman as the rightful heir to the her family's throne, so we can rule out him not being of the royal bloodline.

Dilbert2001 said :
@Ian Adler

I totally disagree with how you try to differentiate 5th and 6th Age storylines. All the Elder Artifacts have been in Gielinor since the First Age. They are not "6th Age elements".

We have clearly seen from the ending of the Pirate Quest Series with 6th Age Elements - Xau-Tak to begin with. What's the problem?
Story elements, I meant. With the admittedly notable exception of the Stone of Jas, the Elder Artifacts have thus far not been referenced or dealt with in Fifth Age Quests; we did not even know that the Stone was one until the Sixth Age. As to you good point regarding the Pirate Quest Series and Xau-Tak, I think the next Pirate installment will be a Sixth Age Quest - which of course opens the possibility that they will do the same with the Desert storyline. My point was simply that they tend not to mix Fifth and Sixth Age business unless they are leading from one to the other. The Myreque Quest series, for example, remained solidly Fifth Age.

Saradominist

World Guardian

emeritus
My first loyalty is to protecting Gielinor. My second is to the patron of the Myreque.
My third is to

Tumeken

and the bloodline of Senliten.

26-Apr-2020 16:03:47

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Ian Adler said :

Dilbert2001 said :
@Ian Adler

I totally disagree with how you try to differentiate 5th and 6th Age storylines. All the Elder Artifacts have been in Gielinor since the First Age. They are not "6th Age elements".

We have clearly seen from the ending of the Pirate Quest Series with 6th Age Elements - Xau-Tak to begin with. What's the problem?
Story elements, I meant. With the admittedly notable exception of the Stone of Jas, the Elder Artifacts have thus far not been referenced or dealt with in Fifth Age Quests; we did not even know that the Stone was one until the Sixth Age. As to you good point regarding the Pirate Quest Series and Xau-Tak, I think the next Pirate installment will be a Sixth Age Quest - which of course opens the possibility that they will do the same with the Desert storyline. My point was simply that they tend not to mix Fifth and Sixth Age business unless they are leading from one to the other. The Myreque Quest series, for example, remained solidly Fifth Age.

You may have forgotten in the 5th Age, The Occultist told us the adventure of his boss Quin and the Horn. Marimbo the party animal also told us the story of her party and drinking contest from Cabbage Facepunch (obviously before the 6th Age). She drank from a Horn, passed out, woke up and found a dead god next to her. It strongly suggested she ascended godhood because of the Horn gave her powers to siphon the powers of the dead god and become a god herself (and this was obviously in the 3rd Age or before). She also pitied that it was a shame she lost the Horn, which like the Stone of Jas, probably has its adventure and ended up in the hands of different people before it was last known to be in the possession of Quin in the 5th Age.

The lore of the Horn was actually well narrated in and before the 5th Age.

26-Apr-2020 16:37:34 - Last edited on 26-Apr-2020 16:50:27 by Dilbert2001

Jan

2007

Ian Adler

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Dilbert2001 said :
@ironpariah

You may have forgotten in the 5th Age, The Occultist told us the adventure of his boss Quin and the Horn. Marimbo the party animal also told us the story of her party and drinking contest from Cabbage Facepunch (obviously before the 6th Age). She drank from a Horn, passed out, woke up and found a dead god next to her. It strongly suggested she ascended godhood because of the Horn gave her powers to siphon the powers of the dead god and become a god herself (and this was obviously in the 3rd Age or before). She also pitied that it was a shame she lost the Horn, which like the Stone of Jas, probably has its adventure and ended up in the hands of different people before it was last known to be in the possession of Quin in the 5th Age.

The lore of the Horn was actually well narrated in and before the 5th Age.

I know the lore. You tell me nothing I am not aware of. What is your point? Neither Player-Owned-Ports nor Cabbage Facepunch were Quests or had anything to do with the Kharidian Desert. And, thus far, neither has the Elder Horn related to the Desert. We lost track of it after Quin was killed, and The Pincers are a long way off.

Saradominist

World Guardian

emeritus
My first loyalty is to protecting Gielinor. My second is to the patron of the Myreque.
My third is to

Tumeken

and the bloodline of Senliten.

26-Apr-2020 18:07:14

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Ian Adler said :
Dilbert2001 said :
@ironpariah

You may have forgotten in the 5th Age, The Occultist told us the adventure of his boss Quin and the Horn. Marimbo the party animal also told us the story of her party and drinking contest from Cabbage Facepunch (obviously before the 6th Age). She drank from a Horn, passed out, woke up and found a dead god next to her. It strongly suggested she ascended godhood because of the Horn gave her powers to siphon the powers of the dead god and become a god herself (and this was obviously in the 3rd Age or before). She also pitied that it was a shame she lost the Horn, which like the Stone of Jas, probably has its adventure and ended up in the hands of different people before it was last known to be in the possession of Quin in the 5th Age.

The lore of the Horn was actually well narrated in and before the 5th Age.

I know the lore. You tell me nothing I am not aware of. What is your point? Neither Player-Owned-Ports nor Cabbage Facepunch were Quests or had anything to do with the Kharidian Desert. And, thus far, neither has the Elder Horn related to the Desert. We lost track of it after Quin was killed, and The Pincers are a long way off.

Didn't I already tell you lore doesn't have to come from quests and most lore including the tales of the Stone of Jas, Xau-Tak and vast majority of the information of the gods don't come from quests, but lore like monster drop, books and postbags?

26-Apr-2020 18:26:01

Jan

2007

Ian Adler

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Dilbert2001 said :
Ian Adler said :
Dilbert2001 said :
@ironpariah

You may have forgotten in the 5th Age, The Occultist told us the adventure of his boss Quin and the Horn. Marimbo the party animal also told us the story of her party and drinking contest from Cabbage Facepunch (obviously before the 6th Age). She drank from a Horn, passed out, woke up and found a dead god next to her. It strongly suggested she ascended godhood because of the Horn gave her powers to siphon the powers of the dead god and become a god herself (and this was obviously in the 3rd Age or before). She also pitied that it was a shame she lost the Horn, which like the Stone of Jas, probably has its adventure and ended up in the hands of different people before it was last known to be in the possession of Quin in the 5th Age.

The lore of the Horn was actually well narrated in and before the 5th Age.

I know the lore. You tell me nothing I am not aware of. What is your point? Neither Player-Owned-Ports nor Cabbage Facepunch were Quests or had anything to do with the Kharidian Desert. And, thus far, neither has the Elder Horn related to the Desert. We lost track of it after Quin was killed, and The Pincers are a long way off.

Didn't I already tell you lore doesn't have to come from quests and most lore including the tales of the Stone of Jas, Xau-Tak and vast majority of the information of the gods don't come from quests, but lore like monster drop, books and postbags?

What part of "I know the lore. You tell me nothing I am not aware of," did you not understand? I have read all the monster drop books and postbags. I know the lore. What is your point? Again, neither Player-Owned-Ports, Cabbage Facepunch, nor the Elder Horn (thus far) have anything to do with the Kharidian Desert. As far as we know the Horn is still in the distant Pincers in the Eastern Lands. Again, what is your point?

Saradominist

World Guardian

emeritus
My first loyalty is to protecting Gielinor. My second is to the patron of the Myreque.
My third is to

Tumeken

and the bloodline of Senliten.

27-Apr-2020 14:47:58 - Last edited on 27-Apr-2020 14:48:55 by Ian Adler

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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@Ian Adler

I clearly told you the Horn is in the in game lore all the time, and before the release of all the 6th Age updates. The Horn is in the Eastern land in the 5th or 6th Age certainly doesn't mean it could not be in the Desert in the 2nd or 3rd Age. The Stone of Jas has been in many places in the 5th and 6th Ages too but it was said to be found in the Fremmenik area by V in or before the 3rd Age.

The Player Owned Port and Cabbage Facepunch references for the Horn are just used to rebut your claim that the Elder Horn is 6th Age element.

How can you tell we can't have the Horn in the Desert Quest the same way we have the Stone of Jas in all the quests?

27-Apr-2020 16:58:08

Jan

2007

Ian Adler

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Dilbert2001 said :
@Ian Adler

I clearly told you the Horn is in the in game lore all the time, and before the release of all the 6th Age updates. The Horn is in the Eastern land in the 5th or 6th Age certainly doesn't mean it could not be in the Desert in the 2nd or 3rd Age. The Stone of Jas has been in many places in the 5th and 6th Ages too but it was said to be found in the Fremmenik area by V in or before the 3rd Age.

The Player Owned Port and Cabbage Facepunch references for the Horn are just used to rebut your claim that the Elder Horn is 6th Age element.

How can you tell we can't have the Horn in the Desert Quest the same way we have the Stone of Jas in all the quests?

For the last time, I know the history of the Horn. All of it and from every source, including that Quin got hold of it in approximately year 149 of the 5th Age. As to how I can tell we wont have the Horn in the Desert Quest, you are are right - I cannot because I cannot read the minds of JMods from afar. But I think it a safe assumption because Quin lived in The Pincers region, which is well over half the Wushanko Isles away from the Desert. A long way and through many greedy hands for the Horn to travel. Hard to imagine other Seasingers, the Death Lotus, and the all the myriad other political and arcane Eastern forces letting such a powerful item slip through their collectives hands so easily. After all, Quin was hardly discreet.

Also, remember that the Ports chronology insofar as the current Fifth/Sixth Age events go are either uncertain or clearly in the Sixth Age, as confirmed by The Memory's presence there.

Saradominist

World Guardian

emeritus
My first loyalty is to protecting Gielinor. My second is to the patron of the Myreque.
My third is to

Tumeken

and the bloodline of Senliten.

28-Apr-2020 04:34:20 - Last edited on 28-Apr-2020 04:40:46 by Ian Adler

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