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I knew Zemouregal was tied to the Shield of Arrav, but it absolutely didn't mean Lucien wasn't the necromancer originally tied to it first.

Whatever happened in an alternate dimension had nothing to do with the dimension we are in anyway. We definitely didn't kill him in our own dimension. Moia might have killed him, but we may still see him back as an undead later as OP suggested.

We have seen Lucien the necromancer since the 2nd Age and before Zemouregal back already.

25-Mar-2023 04:09:04

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> "Lucien was more relevant than anyone else (even within Misthalin) regarding Necromancy."

Lucien most certainly would qualify as a more powerful and more aspirational Mahjarrat that also was a Necromancer than his cousin.

Before I replied, Dino, I wanted to make sure that I had addressed any gaps in knowledge about Lucien (such as the 2018 Halloween event fight against Moia's nightmare manifestation of him) to ensure that there wasn't something acutely specific about Misthalin that Lucien pursued with as much effort as Zemouregal. So I did some light reading and reassessed on some things.

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1. Zemouregal, as pointed out by Immortalized above, has an entire quest series, a past with the Shield of Arrav's wielder, and genuine motive to return to Fort Forinthry from his current location. Lucien's general ambitions grew beyond the Shield of Arrav to other sources of power, and the one assault on Varrock for utility purposes does kinda wilt next to Zemouregal's known residence in New Varrock as a potential timeline path, and repeated infringements.

2. Lucien may very well make a reappearance, but given the current dynamics of the Zamorakian remnants' leadership, Moia would be a better reason for him to appear than anything the Fort Forinthry storyline would offer. Lucien is dead already, and reappeared in 2018 in part due to the manifestation of Moia's nightmares. Seems important.

3. Zemouregal may be short on time, and is in no position to oppose Moia right now - so this may be his last opportunity to conquer Varrock. At the end of Succession, we see Zemouregal revert into a skeletal form, but there is no reason to hold another Ritual of Rejuvenation for the other Mahjarrat, which may mean Zemouregal is on his last legs - and desperate enough to try and leave a legacy in an area he's spent a great deal of effort in. Lucien doesn't have a compelling reason to be in the Fort Forinthry storyline that compares.
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I Hilda I, I think you may be in the wrong track if you think Zemouregal and Moia are still acting on their own. Nope, like Lucien the powers they demonstrated actually came from the wielder of the Strange Power, likely Xau-Tak or his underlings.

Everything is under the control of the Black Hand, otherwise how would a half Mahjarrat human able to overpower the most powerful remaining Zamorakian Mahjarrat? How would a dead Lucien return to Misthalin?

Xau-Tak may very well be the origin of Necromancy, considering he made the First Age Dragonkin Taraket a necromancer. and may be Gielinor's first.

That said, I believe we are going to see a lot of necromancers in the coming year or two, not just Zemouregal.

25-Mar-2023 04:26:40

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(cont.)

"Whatever happened in the Dimension of Disaster isn't relevant anyway."

I have to disagree here, but I can see why someone would say that. The issue with the Dimension of Disaster is that it is explained as "an alternate universe where the player doesn't exist."

If we assume the player's absence is the only factor that is different between our universe and the one in the quest, what that means is that Zemouregal would have taken over Varrock. Assuredly.

I don't know about you, but to me that tells me that Zemouregal had the ambition, the tools necessary, and the ability to achieve his goals in our timeline too, and only failed because we were there to stop him. We've learned nothing to suggest that he has backed off of Varrock, and can only assume Zamorak's return and the ensuing Sixth Age arc momentarily put those plans on pause

...and to me, that means that with Zamorak's removal, and a clear inability to become the leader of his god's faction at the moment, that the only thing he has time for would be to return to those seemingly smaller plans.
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Oh, hey guys. haha. Trying to keep up. :D

Xau-Tak.

Xau-Tak lore is absolutely incredibly overdue, and most certainly fits with Necromancy in general... but it isn't necessarily relevant to Fort Forinthry, the cast (known and potentially implicit) in the quest series so far, and the greater Misthalin area.

Outside of the game though, even with the potential where Xau-Tak is further revealed if the entity is highly woven into the Necromancy skill when it is introduced, Jagex seems to be focusing on smaller happenings for now. Xau-Tak is the giant piece of lore a lot of players are waiting for a grand reveal for, and I'm not terribly convinced the game wants to use Fort Forinthry to introduce an entity with power equivalent to an Elder God in a localized storyline.

A lot of my zeroing in on Zemouregal pertains from the fact that he's a smaller scale villain that would fit in a quest series that isn't likely raise the stakes for the entire world like the Elder God Wars did. (Aside from things like the letter being signed by someone named "Z" and the location making complete sense, of course.)
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Zemouregal had the ambition to conquer the world, so was Lucien. But they are irrelevant now as they are dead or as good as dead. They may be like the Skeletal Horror. They still fight, but not under their own will.

The point is dead, undead or living dead don't have their own thoughts any more. I am not sure even Moia is still sane after the Halloween event years ago.

This Necromancy skill and story line has a lot of interesting lore behind them. Should be fun.

25-Mar-2023 04:50:40

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H 1 L D A said :
Oh, hey guys. haha. Trying to keep up. :D

Xau-Tak.

Xau-Tak lore is absolutely incredibly overdue, and most certainly fits with Necromancy in general... but it isn't necessarily relevant to Fort Forinthry, the cast (known and potentially implicit) in the quest series so far, and the greater Misthalin area.

Outside of the game though, even with the potential where Xau-Tak is further revealed if the entity is highly woven into the Necromancy skill when it is introduced, Jagex seems to be focusing on smaller happenings for now. Xau-Tak is the giant piece of lore a lot of players are waiting for a grand reveal for, and I'm not terribly convinced the game wants to use Fort Forinthry to introduce an entity with power equivalent to an Elder God in a localized storyline.

A lot of my zeroing in on Zemouregal pertains from the fact that he's a smaller scale villain that would fit in a quest series that isn't likely raise the stakes for the entire world like the Elder God Wars did. (Aside from things like the letter being signed by someone named "Z" and the location making complete sense, of course.)


Fort Forinthry is just a piece of lore to set up Necromancy, which is where the mysteries of Xau-Tak will begin to unfold.

25-Mar-2023 15:01:58

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