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A  Cole
Nov Member 2003

A  Cole

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How does Jagex know you haven't co-ordinated with friends to do this, thus attempting to clone the items via Jagex refunds?

How does Jagex know whether the other person has bought those items from you via a trust trade, and you've traded your items via a wilderness death?

Jagex can't return items from player deaths - particularly PvP deaths. There are too many grey areas surrounding it, even though what you have described is clearly a scam. However, nobody in a court of law can saw with 100% confidence that it is a scam.


I'm sorry, but this one is on you.

You made the mistake.

You lost your items.

You have to take full responsibility for it.


Maybe you shouldn't take valuable items across the wall next time. Assume that there are zero safe spaces beyond the wall.


~A~

26-Oct-2023 18:46:13

Santas List
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@a cole because I want the people's responsible banned premantly... Jagex can ban people for real world trading then they have the skills to go back in trades, they can see who killed me they can see msgs between us and they can premantly block the account, if this bug was patched I wouldn't of been lured like this 9b gone and as I said yes I was dumb for being in the wilderness but when I was in a safe area how is it made possible I can glitch out and moonwalk backwards ... This is a bug that should be patched, and as for cloning items it wouldn't be cloning if they would be banned and my items giving back

26-Oct-2023 19:12:22

Tenebri
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Santas List said :
@a cole because I want the people's responsible banned premantly


you needed to have reported them when it all happened.
or if you have any other information can send an email to but you'll need provide any evidence you have to support the claim

a forum post wont do anything to do that
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26-Oct-2023 19:20:13 - Last edited on 26-Oct-2023 19:21:05 by Tenebri

Santas List
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I have emailed jagex when this all happened gave them the names, the world it was on and proof of me dying from the wilderness death sign and they told me nothing is gonna be done.. i made a post to reach out to moderators that can maybe help I have all the proof I need

26-Oct-2023 19:55:53

Tenebri
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Santas List said :
I have emailed jagex when this all happened gave them the names,


thats all you can do


Santas List said :
.. i made a post to reach out to moderators that can maybe help I have all the proof I need


this is not what the forums are for.

you maye have the proof you need, but that doesnt mean its enough for jagex
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26-Oct-2023 20:15:44 - Last edited on 26-Oct-2023 20:16:33 by Tenebri

A  Cole
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A  Cole

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Santas List said :
as for cloning items it wouldn't be cloning if they would be banned and my items giving back
A  Cole said :
How does Jagex know whether the other person has bought those items from you via a trust trade, and you've traded your items via a wilderness death?
If a person trades an item to another player, then Jagex gives that item back to the original owner, the purchaser will lose out on the item, thus being in the position you are now.

Jagex do not know whether you have taken payment for the items via another account, and drop traded / death traded the items to the buyer.


I know this is not what you say happened. However, it's almost impossible for Jagex to distinguish between your scenario and this one.


Bad people exist. They exist both in RuneScape and in the big, wide world.

You are not always going to get justice against those who wronged you. This is true in both worlds. It may not be right, but that's the way things are.

Take this as a lesson, and be thankful that you will never be caught out like this in the real world now that you've taken the hit in RuneScape.


~A~

26-Oct-2023 22:44:35

Archaeox
Dec Member 2011

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Santas List said :
...and
they told me nothing is gonna be done
. i made a post to reach out to moderators that can maybe help I have all the proof I need

So... in fact, Jagex have already told you what many people have said, you just think you're special.

Jagex won't take forum posts or emails as evidence, because they are so easily faked. That is why you have the option to report players in game , as this sends other evidence to Jagex including a snapshot of activity immediately beforehand.

So in fact you have made a series of mistakes:

1. Deciding to trade in the Wilderness
2. Not switching off PvP before entering the Wilderness
3. Thinking you understand Wilderness mechanics better than the warning signs
4. Not reporting an issue in game to send RELIABLE evidence to Jagex
and
5. Using the forums to appeal a Jagex Staff decision.

Grow up, accept responsibility for your mistakes, and move on.
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27-Oct-2023 06:27:09 - Last edited on 27-Oct-2023 06:28:15 by Archaeox

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Santas List said :
... i sent a claim into jagex for lost items but was told they investigated and there's nothing theyre gonna do...
Since Jagex/JMods have investigated your claim it is their decision, based upon evidence, 'there's nothing theyre gonna do'.

Santas List said :
... Premantly ban the accounts responsible and give me my rares back...
Jagex/JMods never do ban accounts upon a players' request. Jagex/JMods do ban accounts if necessary based upon one or more thorough investigations.

Based upon your feedback you have participated in a 'play on the edge'-gameplay near The Wilderness with high value items. Where all players are warned for 20+ years to not bring their most valuable items to The Wilderness because of situations like yours.
Poor judgement of The Wilderness and its surroundings contributed to your situation therefore nothing can be done.

Lost items ... <- (link) at '
Jagex's Support Centre
' for more information.

Limitations


It's against our policy to return items when:

You were
hijacked or scammed
. Follow our security advice to prevent this from happening again
The loss can't be verified or is fraudulent
The request includes the following types of items:

- Temporary holiday event items
- Items recoverable from Diango
- Unique quest items
- Certain pets
- XP granting items

27-Oct-2023 08:30:38

Tren
May
fmod Member
2003

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Santas List said :
I have emailed jagex when this all happened gave them the names, the world it was on and proof of me dying from the wilderness death sign and they told me nothing is gonna be done.. i made a post to reach out to moderators that can maybe help I have all the proof I need

According to Jagex's Lost Item Policy : "It's against our policy to return items when:
- You were hijacked or scammed."


What you experienced is list as a scam in the Support Centre article on Scams : "Do not enter dangerous areas such as the Wilderness unless you are prepared to die, even if someone assures you it is safe"

If you have already contacted Jagex or made a Lost Item claim, and received a decision, then there is nothing more to be gained by posted on the Forums. The decision you received was final and in accordance to their stated policy.


Santas List said :
... I want the people's responsible banned premantly...

Jagex does not ban players upon request. If you reported the players at the time of the incident, then Jagex will have the evidence from that report to be able to take action according to their policies, not your wants."

As there is nothing more that can be done here, this thread is closed.

For future reference, remember:
- If something seems to good to be true, it probably is.
- Never take anything into the Wilderness that you are not prepared to lose
- Always be suspicious of trades where you are asked to meet anywhere other than a bank or GE location.
~Tren

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27-Oct-2023 17:27:11

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