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Dilbert2001
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Sc Jw said :
Miu said :

Considering RS3 MTX pretty much pays for OSRS

A quick search for financial statements came back with OSRS making slightly more just on subscriptions than RS3 does with both subscriptions and MTX combined. So...no...

A more detailed search for financial statements should come back to you with Bond has been categorized as MTX and OSRS's revenue came not from subscription Plus MTX.

I don't know how OSRS's financial statements have anything to do with RS3's Hero Pass and the reason why OP cancelled their OSRS subscription at all.

08-Sep-2023 22:33:20 - Last edited on 08-Sep-2023 22:34:53 by Dilbert2001

Sc Jw
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Dilbert2001 said :
Sc Jw said :
Miu said :

Considering RS3 MTX pretty much pays for OSRS

A quick search for financial statements came back with OSRS making slightly more just on subscriptions than RS3 does with both subscriptions and MTX combined. So...no...

A more detailed search for financial statements should come back to you with Bond has been categorized as MTX and OSRS's revenue came not from subscription Plus MTX.

I have the Companies House statement open right now, what page are you referring to 'cuz I don't see that.
Dilbert2001 said :

I don't know how OSRS's financial statements have anything to do with RS3's Hero Pass and the reason why OP cancelled their OSRS subscription at all.
That's because, once again, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Both have subscriptions, both have bonds, but only RS3 has keys, and skips, and...you get the idea. RS3 with it's much smaller player base does not financially support OSRS. That's what the guy said and it's just wrong.

As to how they are linked, look at Reddit. It appears that at least _some_ OSRS players decided to support the RS3 cancellation wave and also quit. Of course there wouldn't be an OSRS if Jagex hadn't been so damn arrogant as to kill off Legacy mode with the release of EOC.

Do it the "new way or quit". Which is exactly what happened. Wait...wait...here's old school, please stay. Wait...wait...here's Revolution....wait...wait...here's Legacy mode.

I detailed out the dates on this to you once before, sure you want to go there again?

08-Sep-2023 22:54:24

Dilbert2001
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Please refer to
page 26/60
of the Companies House report.

Under the category
"Microtransactions"
, it clearly shows Jagex offers Runecoins, Treasure Hunter Keys and
Bonds
.

Why do you have to deflect us to Reddit or whatever for other player's comment when we (except you) are on this thread to try to find out why OP, an OSRS player who doesn't play RS3, cancelled their membership because of Hero Pass?

08-Sep-2023 23:03:38

Sc Jw
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Dilbert2001 said :
Please refer to
page 26/60
of the Companies House report.

Under the category
"Microtransactions"
, it clearly shows Jagex offers Runecoins, Treasure Hunter Keys and
Bonds
.
The _actual_ page 26 (the numbering is at the bottom of the page) begins with "Notes to Financial Statements". The paragraph you are referring to probably refers to your browser showing it as "page 26". Details are important.

And it only explains what MTX means to Jagex, in regards to this statement, and what types it offers. It does not distinguish which is offered to which game. At _any_ definition OSRS does not have the level of MTX that RS3 does. Period.
Dilbert2001 said :

Why do you have to deflect us to Reddit or whatever for other player's comment when we (except you) are on this thread to try to find out why OP, an OSRS player who doesn't play RS3, cancelled their membership because of Hero Pass?
Because Jagex made the decision long ago that their very own website wasn't the primary place for them to communicate with customers. I show 4 active users as I post this. Twitter is probably the best way to get their attention, but Reddit has to be #2 from how many Jmods I've seen post.

And I don't have an account with either so don't try to go there.

The point being is that I've seen OSRS players posting that they are quitting in the RS3 sub. I never look at the 2007 sub because I don't play it. And my initial post had nothing to do with either. It was simply a response to another's post that RS3 carries OSRS financially. Nope, it does not.

That's it. And if you want to get technical about it OSRS apparently makes more without all the in your face MTX than RS3 does because it has a larger subscriber base.

OMG, not everybody likes RS3! What will the world do!

09-Sep-2023 00:09:06

Dilbert2001
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"Please refer to
page 26/60
of the Companies House report", not Page 26.

OP has no problem with MTX in RS3 as they clearly stated they don't play RS3. They play OSRS and cancelled their membership. We just have to wait for them to tell us whether it was the MTX in OSRS that caused them to cancel their membership... perhaps RS3 Hero Pass just reminded them of the unfair advantages OSRS players got over them.

09-Sep-2023 00:15:01

Sc Jw
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Dilbert2001 said :
"Please refer to
page 26/60
of the Companies House report", not Page 26.
You left out a line:
Dilbert2001 said :
Under the category
"Microtransactions"

On page 26 as viewed in a browser, 24 actual, this subject takes half a page and ends there. If there is some OTHER of the 27-60 pages that you think are relevant oh do please point them out with a quote. Cuz most of it is "fluff", no numbers, just "nice words".
Dilbert2001 said :
OP has no problem with MTX in RS3 as they clearly stated they don't play RS3.
#1 - OSRS wouldn't exist were it not for players pissed off at the EoC rollout.
#2 - More moved over when Squeal quickly introduced MTX to RS3
#3 - And a not small number of these folks are still pissed off about it
Dilbert2001 said :
They play OSRS and cancelled their membership.
Yup, and obviously not the only one.
Dilbert2001 said :
We just have to wait for them to tell us whether it was the MTX in OSRS that caused them to cancel their membership...
Was Hero Pass inserted into OSRS? Was any other MTX? No? Hmmm, think it through...
Dilbert2001 said :
perhaps RS3 Hero Pass just reminded them of the unfair advantages OSRS players got over them.
Oh, I could have some fun with this statement. But first try this theorectical on for grins. What if they had left legacy mode in when EoC rolled out? Maybe give players a chance to get used to it instead of "my way or the highway" after a decade+ of game play.

Nah, there couldn't possibly be any highly annoyed people still playing OSRS at this point in time. Nope, no way.

09-Sep-2023 02:58:12

Dilbert2001
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OSRS absolutely has MTX. Not just Jagex acknowledged Bonds are MTX, OSRS also clearly put the PEGI 16 Drug and In Gmae Purchase Label in their Jagex Launcher Page. There is no reason why OP didn't see those OSRS had MTX label. When they went to buy OSRS membership, they would easily see there is also the "Buy Bonds" advertising.

OP obviously is still a member, so much for cancelling his membership.

09-Sep-2023 15:45:59 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2023 15:54:54 by Dilbert2001

Sc Jw
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Dilbert2001 said :
OSRS absolutely has MTX. Not just Jagex acknowledged Bonds are MTX, OSRS also clearly put the PEGI 16 Drug and In Gmae Purchase Label in their Jagex Launcher Page. There is no reason why OP didn't see those OSRS had MTX label. When they went to buy OSRS membership, they would easily see there is also the "Buy Bonds" advertising.
Bonds have existed in both games for quite some time, and I think a necessary evil to combat RWT. Why go to some risky site when you can just buy direct from Jagex? Regardless, as compared to RS3, OSRS has no MTX.

Dilbert2001 said :

OP obviously is still a member, so much for cancelling his membership.
Get ready, cuz here comes the big 'ol Clue Bat...

They will continue to show as a member until their active subscription runs out. In my case, if I were to cancel right now and never play again, my status wouldn't change until next year.

<Smack!>

11-Sep-2023 03:09:25

Dilbert2001
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Do you know TH and Ruincoins existed longer than Bonds? If Bonds were the necessary evil to combat RWT, the same could say to TH and Ruincoins. Shrug! No difference.

Do you know Hero Pass is also about Bonds, the necessary evil to combat RWT, too? Shrug! No difference.

I don't see where OP considered Bond holier than thou anyway. We will have to wait for OP to come back to the forums to know more of his decision, or at least wait until their membership expires to see it here.

Meanwhile, everybody else can just look at our Jagex Launcher login pages on both RS3 and OSRS and see both games have in game purchases. What's the big deal? We have them for over a decade already.

11-Sep-2023 03:19:56

Sc Jw
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Dilbert2001 said :

I don't see where OP considered Bond holier than thou anyway. We will have to wait for OP to come back to the forums to know more of his decision, or at least wait until their membership expires to see it here.
I see that my clue bat struck true.

Dilbert2001 said :

Meanwhile, everybody else can just look at our Jagex Launcher login pages on both RS3 and OSRS and see both games have in game purchases. What's the big deal? We have them for over a decade already.
Forced full manual EoC drove out the first wave of players. But when Squeal started offering things that would affect your character beyond simple cosmetics, and then bonds, that's were the next big batch left.

Don't try to tell me otherwise because I was here, and that's when I bailed for 7 years. Along with the wife, kids, their friends, some of their parents that we were friends with, all went bye bye.

Just because you like something or don't care about it doesn't mean that others feel the same way. You really need to get over yourself.

11-Sep-2023 04:20:21

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