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Calm Enigma

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Heads up to everyone that I made a summary post on the previous page in response to the posts overnight. Please take a read


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Taking into account calms post above you get 1 week immunity if you chose to take it which almost everyone will, 3 days to accept but 7 days to negotiate and up to 2 weeks to war in. So other words 4 weeks you'll get a war.
That is incorrect. The 7 days to negotiate are part of the time allowed for a war to occur in. From the time a declaration thread is made, you currently have 3 weeks to war in. This would be 2 weeks if the changes proposed are implemented. So whether clans take longer to negotiate makes no difference on when the war has to be fought by.


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Sounds like you may swell allow team banter to make that second team like we wanted to do over 3 months ago
The difference here is that TB would have created that second team purely for the purpose of multiclanning with it. On the other hand, SAPK and LC were not so closely related at first because they both exist independly without each other, they are both legitimate communities with different purposes. Over time those interested in warring joined each others community, leading to them currently being similar.

It is also worth noting that SAPK and LC are definitely not the only participants in the ladder who have had this issue, or that may realistically be exposed to it in the future. So let's not point fingers at each other when discussing issues. Instead, let's keep the discussion generalised so as to not antagonise and focus on solutions you believe might benefit the RSW as a whole. -
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19-Apr-2016 13:23:36 - Last edited on 19-Apr-2016 13:48:36 by Calm Enigma

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Me saying the team has a 1 person difference was a problem on our side since we accidentally posted all things for a SAPK war, in the LC chat (was on accident) and not many people even knew we had a war. If you really want to get hypocritical about it then go for it =)
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19-Apr-2016 13:32:09

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Ignoring multiclanning for now as i feel it makes no difference as long as wars are not being deliberately delayed (by a week) simply due to another team having a war. The biggest issue atm is the time it takes to get wars. Teams should not be forced to wait4 weeks for wars. 1 week is easily enough time, 2 weeks is generous, its not like you are relearning how to war everytime?

Peoples reasoning for delaying wars is getting ridiculous. If people are really having difficulty pulling a stack te everyweek then try training more people to war aswell.

Warring is supposed to be about everyone getting involved and we should be aiming towards that as a community not always relying on the same 20 people to akways be available. Having ranked wars more often may mean that you wont always have your strongest possible.team available but this is the same for ALL teams where they will have good weeks and bad weeks. Having a strong base for your team becomes more important, having a strong 15 warrers available for 10v10s means 5 people who may not have warred before may now get a war every month.

19-Apr-2016 15:28:38

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Me saying the team has a 1 person difference was a problem on our side since we accidentally posted all things for a SAPK war, in the LC chat (was on accident) and not many people even knew we had a war. If you really want to get hypocritical about it then go for it =)
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...We were waiting for Requiem to either accept or decline the challenge vs LC before us putting the date as a counter proposal vs SZ. If we accepted SZ before Req (which I did anyways because yeah), Req could throw out the except same time as the SZ vs SAPK war, meaning LC or SAPK would miss their fight = forfeit, lmao.


So would this have happened by ''Accident'' too? Idgi. Whatever way past this by now since not multi clanning, but abusive multiclanning has been pointed out and will need discussing.


As for immunity, I don't really mind it, since not all communities are as calm described them ''hardcore warring communitites'' it can be fair somewhat, don't really mind eitherways.

I agree however with what zappy said about accepting to not war with your ''full/best'' team every time, as you won't have to wait as long to redeclare for your spot, and you also open up the chance for more people within you community to war, if you really can't war you can always decline and come back and declare when your team is ready.
I also agree with the point that says a team would only be allowed to declare on another that's only 1-2 ranks above them.

Another thing I would be happy to see is the ability to declare on lower ranked teams, with no penalty to the latter for declining your war, would give the higher ranked teams more flexibility somewhat atleast.
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19-Apr-2016 15:45:45 - Last edited on 19-Apr-2016 15:51:04 by Imad

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Immunity is literally only used for skimping out on wars. A week immunity is just furthering stalls. Like I said, if they don't want to war, they can just decline. With the ability to challenge whatever rank you want, does it really matter if you have to defend your rank 1 or attack for it because of an earlier decline? It only takes one war to gain/lose a rank so there's no reason a team has to stall weeks on end just to cling to a, in the bigger scheme of things, meaningless rank.

Sapk only entered the ladder because of it having LC people. They had 2 teams originally with LC/***, the people just swapped over to Sapk when they entered the league. At no point were they mutually exclusive lol.

Also will newer clans be given priority in challenging on immunity or will it be solely time based?

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19-Apr-2016 15:50:50

Calm Enigma

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Another thing I would be happy to see is the ability to declare on lower ranked teams, with no penalty to the latter for declining your war, would give the higher ranked teams more flexibility somewhat atleast.
Wouldn't that be exactly the same as organising a friendly?


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Also will newer clans be given priority in challenging on immunity or will it be solely time based?
I assume this is a question about the proposed priority rule in my post a page back. A new clan has never warred for that rank before so they would get priority over a clan that has. If neither clan has warred for the rank then it would go back to who posted first.

The above sounds a bit meh. However, consider that it will probably be implemented alongside a reduction of the amount of ranks you can challenge ahead, so new clans wouldn't be able to immediately challenge for the desirable ranks. Also, the issue with priority is largely exclusive to challenging for rank 1, so I've tweaked the rule so it only applies there, which should get rid of a bunch of issues. -
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19-Apr-2016 16:17:02

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Imo priority abd sort of immunity becomes almost irrelevent if rank declarations are limited to 2 ranks ahead at most if fokkowing the system I posted last night

if a team loses a rank due to war they cannot delcare on that rank for 7 days
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Team A rrank 2 declares on team B rank 1 and team A wins
Team A is now rank 1 team B is now rank 2
Team B cannot declare on team A for 1 week and has a 2 week war priod after that

Team c is rank 3 they can declare on team A or team B as soon as A vs B ended or 3 day immuntiy ends (the war is most likely 2 weeks later anyway so it makes no difference)and war has 2 weeks to happen.

If team C doesnt declare on team A before the 1 week immunity is over then team B can redeclare on team A for rank 1.

19-Apr-2016 16:23:25

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Imo priority abd sort of immunity becomes almost irrelevent if rank declarations are limited to 2 ranks ahead at most if fokkowing the system I posted last night

if a team loses a rank due to war they cannot delcare on that rank for 7 days
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Team A rrank 2 declares on team B rank 1 and team A wins
Team A is now rank 1 team B is now rank 2
Team B cannot declare on team A for 1 week and has a 2 week war priod after that

Team c is rank 3 they can declare on team A or team B as soon as A vs B ended or 3 day immuntiy ends (the war is most likely 2 weeks later anyway so it makes no difference)and war has 2 weeks to happen.

If team C doesnt declare on team A before the 1 week immunity is over then team B can redeclare on team A for rank 1.

This idea sounds good in theory and would work if there were only 3 teams.
We have at least 5 active teams atm tho so this would be complete mess to figure out who can challenge who

Using Zappy's example:
There are also Team D and E, both would want to declare on Team C so who gets to war Team C?
Even if Team E challenges Team C and Team D challenges Team B, Team B would free to declare on team A after the war (if they win) but Team C would still want to declare on Team A which brings us back to where Zappy started at.

19-Apr-2016 17:32:41

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Ignoring multiclanning for now as i feel it makes no difference as long as wars are not being deliberately delayed (by a week) simply due to another team having a war. The biggest issue atm is the time it takes to get wars. Teams should not be forced to wait4 weeks for wars. 1 week is easily enough time, 2 weeks is generous, its not like you are relearning how to war everytime?


I don't agree. In my eyes, a war for a certain rank shouldn't be happening on a weekly basis. 4 weeks is too much, but 2-3 weeks is a good amount of time, it gives flexibility of schedule and breathing room for all parties. I don't see the value in rushing ranked wars and having them at that frequent of an interval. Like I told UH-OH a few pages back, if your clan is so enthralled by warring, do more practices or friendly matches. Cheap and painless boss kills for comp, best service and prices. Click for more info- We sell all bosses!

19-Apr-2016 18:30:08

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