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Carbon
Dec Member 2017

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Immunity should be based on proposed dates, not the date when you challenge because no team proposes the next day to war anyways. It's always gonna be either next weekend or the weekend after so i don't see why clans would not wanna war on weekends.

Ranked wars never happen on monday-thursday so the immunity right now is used just to stall wars, it's very evident.

So for example tb vs sapk happened on sat 16th, tb loses, but obv tb or shuu won't redeclare and propose sun 17th, both would propose next week, sat 23rd or sun 24th so sapk is still getting a week (or 3 depending on when they schedule it) to prep up and clear schedule etc.

I know sapk said multiple times they were planning to accept shuu anyways, but they should also accept if tb redeclared and shuu didn't declare*

**;dr: Take of immunity from wbs ladder, or add immunity based on proposed date so the rule can be (you can't propose a date that is under 3 days from challenge date) or something.

19-Apr-2016 18:54:15 - Last edited on 19-Apr-2016 18:54:29 by Carbon

Will D
Jul Member 2014

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I don't agree. In my eyes, a war for a certain rank shouldn't be happening on a weekly basis. 4 weeks is too much, but 2-3 weeks is a good amount of time, it gives flexibility of schedule and breathing room for all parties. I don't see the value in rushing ranked wars and having them at that frequent of an interval. Like I told UH-OH a few pages back, if your clan is so enthralled by warring, do more practices or friendly matches.

It seems like this has been happening since around late 2012 so I don't know why this is becoming such an issue now. Even around the last month of the RSB there was only 5 or so active clans fighting for 1 to 3 ranks. Discussing terms shouldn't be that difficult since every war has practically the same rules, and clans shouldn't be allowed to postpone wars because of 2-3 members missing from their stack team.

One reason why I think people do want ranked wars so much is because fun wars/practices are pretty dead. It used to be much easier to schedule a fun war w/ someone 2-3 hours before it would take place, but I don't think that happens much anymore, especially not on week days. I'm not saying that rushing into ranked wars is the answer, but what I am saying is we shouldn't take any steps to prevent them from happening as frequently as they are now.

19-Apr-2016 18:59:53

Shyvana
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Ignoring multiclanning for now as i feel it makes no difference as long as wars are not being deliberately delayed (by a week) simply due to another team having a war. The biggest issue atm is the time it takes to get wars. Teams should not be forced to wait4 weeks for wars. 1 week is easily enough time, 2 weeks is generous, its not like you are relearning how to war everytime?


I don't agree. In my eyes, a war for a certain rank shouldn't be happening on a weekly basis. 4 weeks is too much, but 2-3 weeks is a good amount of time, it gives flexibility of schedule and breathing room for all parties. I don't see the value in rushing ranked wars and having them at that frequent of an interval. Like I told UH-OH a few pages back, if your clan is so enthralled by warring, do more practices or friendly matches.

I never said they should be every week, teams can still delay wars for upto 2 weeks (which you seem to have agreed with?), i just meant that teams should be wanting to war and not postponing wars until the last possible date (4 weeks between wars) because they can and dont want to risk losing ranks.

I would be perfectly happy doing friendlys every day if people wanted to but finding different teams to fight against without conflicting schedules during weekdays becomes more difficult so weekends is the only realistic time to war. I want AWL to become an active community not just for high ranks but also for new teams/clans who want to join. If they are joining ladders and then getting 1 ranked war per month it could be a year before they are even close to fighting for higher ranks.

19-Apr-2016 19:35:39

Shyvana
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This idea sounds good in theory and would work if there were only 3 teams.
We have at least 5 active teams atm tho so this would be complete mess to figure out who can challenge who

Using Zappy's example:
There are also Team D and E, both would want to declare on Team C so who gets to war Team C?
Even if Team E challenges Team C and Team D challenges Team B, Team B would free to declare on team A after the war (if they win) but Team C would still want to declare on Team A which brings us back to where Zappy started at.

Yes not all teams would be able to war every time but because of immunitys when losing ranks it gives a chance for the people below to declare, at most a team should be able to war atleast once a month and in most cases twice a month. who a team declares on can make a big impact also as rank 4 declaring on rank 2 and winning causes rank 3 to drop to rank 4 and unable to declare on rank 1 after that.

my reasoning for only allowing 2 ranks ahead is because it creates a reason to declare on lower ranks still. IMO (based on wbs ladder as it is the only real active ladder) there is no reason to declare on anything below rank 1 apart from to have a 'fun' war. Ranks below 1 are almost meaningless as SZ is rank 12 declaring on rank 1. Why would a rank 5 team declare on rank 4 when they could wait a week and then just play the race to declare on rank 1. By creating a system where rank decides who you can declare on rank 5 declaring on rank 4 has a big impact on who you can declare on in future. (ladder will need to be cleaned of inactive teams 1st)

19-Apr-2016 19:47:32

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21-Apr-2016 12:05:58 - Last edited on 21-Apr-2016 12:30:17 by Fuchsy

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