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Mini Bar

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First of all,

Your laws specify if they *left* on good terms. It doesn't talk about subsequent events, they define the status of the former member at the time they left the clan.

At the time I left KOV, I was on very good terms with both the clan and the people in it. I would like to take this moment to recognize that you were not actually in KOV at this time

According to these laws I'm entitled to rejoin, because I left the Kingdom on very good terms.

In regards to the suspension, you have yet to give me a valid reason as to why I'm suspended, other than the fact that a handful of your members have a personal vendetta against me. That isn't really fair to exclude me from your clan just because they have a problem finding the ignore list (It's the red button). I have no intention of causing any conflicts when I join KOV, I'm here for a community experience the same as everyone else. You're denying me that just because of your personal vehement dislike for me.

As far as the clan chat goes, I'm quite confident I've never exhibited behavior that could be interpreted as offensive, racist, obscene, or otherwise inappropriate.

Would love to discuss this further if you'd be willing to overcome your personal prejudices

06-Oct-2015 01:08:26

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2007

Rizenel

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Would love to discuss this further if you'd be willing to overcome your personal prejudices

Alright, there is no personal prejudice involved. It is simply that on multiple accounts you are on our banlist and you have broken our rules multiple times before, at the beginning of the year, in fact a little before the end of Alake's tenure as Queen.

In the past, your trolling has gone too far as to warrant kicks from our Scribe Lord and Recruitment Lord. We decided ultimately as staff to put you on suspension for your disruptive behavior in chat. You even went as far as getting into the clan chat while you were on suspension.

Now, I'm aware that there is no way to keep you out of the clan entirely. If you do happen to make an alternate account into and stay under our radar without our knowing. Kudos to you even. However, for the time being, what it boils down to...You are banned from the clan chat, not because of personal prejudice, but because other clan mates have had issues with you. Personally, I can care less about your activities and my actions are driven by those who are screaming for a banning and heads rolling, like a public execution. 'tis the way of a monarchy I'm afraid. I'm a

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06-Oct-2015 01:22:56

Mini Bar

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I disagree. I've been quite respectful on Sack Bar when interacting with clan members. I've been open and willing to discuss this issue with you, yet you kick me instantly. I have screenshots of this as well, which really do support that I was doing absolutely nothing in violation of your rules.

I'd also like to point out that your "alt" argument is void. You have nothing in your rules, regarding citizens or otherwise, that concerns the use of alts in the clan chat.

06-Oct-2015 01:27:44

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2007

Rizenel

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At the time I left KOV, I was on very good terms with both the clan and the people in it. I would like to take this moment to recognize that you were not actually in KOV at this time

While that may be true. Between your time of departure and now, there have been issues that boiled up that you caused. Hence again, I'll refer to the incidents that you were kicked for taking trolling too far and insults you have hurled at clanmates because their training methods do not meet your expectation.

A lot of clannies would play the game they choose to play. Not one person should insult them by calling them "inefficient ****s". This is the main reason why clanmates have issues with you because of this in the past.

According to these laws I'm entitled to rejoin, because I left the Kingdom on very good terms.

Now that is a half-baked fallacy. The fact that it is an application acceptance system, Royals still have the right to decline applicants regardless. I'm a

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06-Oct-2015 01:31:02

Mini Bar

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Fair enough. Though that term is CLEARLY used in jest, and anyone that takes offense to it really hasn't been exposed to the majority of the internet, I can see how that would be construed as offensive.

Problem solved. I simply won't use it. I fail to see why you insist on making my efforts to rejoin so difficult.

And of course it's semantics. But the point I'm trying to make here is that if your laws can't hold up to some verbal tests like this? They should probably be changed. I'm trying to help you out, so you can fix these laws and have them encompass more scenarios. I've been highlighting these issues in your rules for months, and they haven't changed. If you want me to stop raising stupid arguments like this, then don't provide me the loopholes. We really are after the same goal here.

And before you yell at me for monopolizing this thread, I would like to point out that I've offered to resolve this privately numerous times with you, but my efforts were rebuked.

06-Oct-2015 01:39:26 - Last edited on 06-Oct-2015 01:43:03 by Mini Bar

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2007

Rizenel

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Mini Bar said :
I disagree. I've been quite respectful on Sack Bar when interacting with clan members. I've been open and willing to discuss this issue with you, yet you kick me instantly. I have screenshots of this as well, which really do support that I was doing absolutely nothing in violation of your rules.

I'd also like to point out that your "alt" argument is void. You have nothing in your rules, regarding citizens or otherwise, that concerns the use of alts in the clan chat.

lol, you know just as well as I that you are just using our own clan laws to circumvent something already established.

I have been sent other screenshots by clanmates of your activity as well. While what you claim about other clanmates having a personal vendetta against you...that is as much speculation as it is a claim of fact.

The last time I confronted you about this, we were less than civil about it. While, you can go ahead and take my word for what little worth it is for you. I'm only acting on behalf of the clan and I will continue to do as such. I'm a

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06-Oct-2015 01:42:52

Mini Bar

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lol, you know just as well as I that you are just using our own clan laws to circumvent something already established.
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Of course. I did just state that, did I not? My goal in that is to force you to make your laws...less bad? I'm challenging you to improve them, and so far you've failed miserably.

And you are NOT representing the clan, you're representing a very vocal minority. There's a large difference between the two.

06-Oct-2015 01:44:14

Nov

2007

Rizenel

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Mini Bar said :
lol, you know just as well as I that you are just using our own clan laws to circumvent something already established.
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Of course. I did just state that, did I not? My goal in that is to force you to make your laws...less bad? I'm challenging you to improve them, and so far you've failed miserably.

And you are NOT representing the clan, you're representing a very vocal minority. There's a large difference between the two.

While, I would like to take the time to thank you for helping bump our Recruitment Thread. How am I failing in changing/improving laws? In most laws there are things that should be implied and it's more of a courtesy than anything, which you have yet to adhere to, which gives me more reason to just deny your application.

Kind of funny on how all this stemmed from me just declining your application, Igloo. As I said, while you feel kicks unwarranted and bans unnecessary because it happened to you, most people would.

While that last statement is your opinion, and again I reiterate, your opinion. Not everyone is vocal and I have been told other's sentiments regarding your behavior. So, how you view this situation is very different than how I view it. Just because people prefer not to talk in the clan doesn't mean that they have any less of a voice on a situation regarding KoV. I'm a

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06-Oct-2015 02:03:27

Mini Bar

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Not everyone is vocal and I have been told other's sentiments regarding your behavior.

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I'll let that contradiction speak for itself.

When I say vocal, I mean they've had a big Skype circlejerk about how much you all hate me(it happens).

And if the laws have to be clarified and reiterated like this...they're probably not very good laws. There are a LOT of improvements you could make to avoid these situations. You chose not to, so here we are.

I have nothing against any of you, so it's rather unfortunate that you are so straight forward with your disdain for me. That being said, add me to your ignore list. Accept my application, invite me, ignore me, and we'll never hear from each other again, and we'll coexist peacefully happily ever after.

06-Oct-2015 02:09:05

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2007

Rizenel

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Mini Bar said :
Not everyone is vocal and I have been told other's sentiments regarding your behavior.

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I'll let that contradiction speak for itself.

When I say vocal, I mean they've had a big Skype circlejerk about how much you all hate me(it happens).

And if the laws have to be clarified and reiterated like this...they're probably not very good laws. There are a LOT of improvements you could make to avoid these situations. You chose not to, so here we are.

I have nothing against any of you, so it's rather unfortunate that you are so straight forward with your disdain for me. That being said, add me to your ignore list. Accept my application, invite me, ignore me, and we'll never hear from each other again, and we'll coexist peacefully happily ever after.

As entertaining as this train ride has been. You still do not understand why. Despite alternate accounts, you are still the player of them all. I suppose the idea or concept is foreign to you.

+ Article II: Non-Citizens

Non-Citizens are those who are not members of the Kingdom of Varrock. They do not hold any of the rights or privileges gained upon acceptance into the Kingdom of Varrock. If an offender is in contempt of Kingdom Law and is not a Citizen, they are to receive punishment accordingly. We do not expect a Non-Citizen to receive a warning before the removal from the Clan Chat Channel, but it is at the discretion of the ranking Citizen to decide if a warning is more appropriate.

You want to play the rule game? We'll play the rule game. I'm a

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06-Oct-2015 02:22:52 - Last edited on 06-Oct-2015 02:45:38 by Rizenel

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