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Zaire
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Zaire

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I wouldn't say it was wasted, but I do agree that I didn't do anything great during my reign. My main focus while I was king was sustainability rather than change. If anything, I went after minor changes in the clan and tried to keep things the way they were, seeing as the clan was thriving from the last year's policies. Simply put, I didn't want to fix anything major as long as it wasn't broken.

If people view what I just detailed as me "wasting" my reign, then that's perfectly acceptable to me; I just have a different view of the word. I don't see my run as wasted, but rather as an average kingship.
Zaire

07-Jul-2014 01:04:56

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The last days of your time as King were pretty tumultuous in nature. Possibly one of the most divisive and long lasting dramatic events in recent KOVian history occurred on your watch and it eventually even caused you to quit. Can you shed some light on your role in the conflict and why you made the choice to leave the Kingdom of Varrock?

07-Jul-2014 01:07:13

Zaire
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Well, I had just patched things up with you, and my close friends from EOS were also between clans, Holo Slays and Flamewhip. Needless to say, when all three of you applied to KOV, I was pretty happy. But, as you know, there were a few things that were starting to go wrong with the kingdom, a good number as a result of Dianne IMO.

The start of it all was something I mentioned earlier: the informal social events she continued from you. She practically turned these into a second weekly meeting (which actually left me with little to nothing to discuss when I would do the actual general clan meeting..) and they became shorter and more informal every week. But, since they were initially well received, Dianne started to become eager to host more events like this, which caused a huge problem, from my perspective.

She began hosting over ten "events" every week, in which she would assemble a number of citizens, do a mundane activity, then adjourn shortly after, and I'm talking 10 to 20 minutes when it was well into it. I will say that these events did begin at about 30 minute lengths for about the first week, which I found perfectly acceptable. However, as the problem persisted, they became shorter and shorter, most notably culminating to a less-than-ten-minute-long KBD event with a handful of attendees. Unfortunately, I didn't say anything to Dianne, because I felt she'd get the hint from the clan that no one really liked these after a while.

However, she didn't, and then the real problem started: criticism of Dianne. Mostly revolving around my friends, three vocal cohorts--you, Flame, and Holo--Dianne was publicly and privately castigated. This wasn't a bad thing as far as I was concerned--everyone should be able to handle criticism in moderate degrees. However, no matter how much Dianne was disconcerted, she continued to worsen the events-hosting epidemic, among other things. This is what caused the infamous events of that summer to transpire.
Zaire

07-Jul-2014 01:53:24

Zaire
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This constant berating Dianne received caused her to loathe Flame and Holo, and especially Sound. Once this was at its peak, the real storm began.

Kv Ravendwel, boyfriend of Dianne (will be relevant in a sec) and person in charge of keeping track of the Kovian history log, had posted some trivial accounts of events that had occurred when he was king--stuff that was either borderline false or biased. When Sound and his friends called him out on this on the forums and others joined in, Dianne became majorly upset, seeing as it was her boyfriend at the butt of the "harrassment," and this caused her major bias in her further actions.

Dianne deemed what was only rather minor harrassment as being treason-level in severity. Though lots of people joined the discussion (including Kv himself), Bard and Sound did most of the posting opposing Kv. Even though Kv responded with hostility twice, he was asked to edit it by Dianne. After that happened, she gave no such treatment to Sound/Bard (as far as I know) and instantly used the posts as means to punish them.

I was almost entirely against punishing them. The only thing I would have agreed to would be giving them a one-week forum mute from our discussion thread. That seemed pretty reasonable to me, considering how upset she was. However, Dianne did not rest, and with the help of the fresh prince (one week old, not Will Smith's account) Leopold (who also happened to detest Sound), I was outvoted in the royal cabinet, since the only other royal**** rii, was on leave.

Due to their bias, Sound received an 18 day suspension, later reduced to 15 days; Bard received a 3 day cc mute, but gave himself a 15 day suspension to equal Sound's; and Kv got off scott-free, later being assigned a 3 day forum mute or some other BS punishment.
Zaire

07-Jul-2014 01:53:30

Zaire
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Now, I will say that one thing that Dianne cited after the punishments was that Sound was given a condition upon reapplication that he wasn't to cause trouble. However, neither Dianne nor I gave him the warning due to our own blundering. (She feared confrontation, whereas I didn't see the need of the warning and forgot.) This is the primary reason she said she gave him the ban, but it still wasn't necessary by any means. He rocked the boat a bit, not flipped it over.

The fact that Kv got off without punishment and was given special treatment made me lose respect for Leo, but also Dianne that day. The fact that they went back and slightly alleviated the punishments later and added some BS consequence to Kv's actions didn't mean anything; the damage had been done. When the events went down, lots of people proceeded to quit KOV (primarily those who had ties to Sound and Bard or those who already disliked Dianne, the royals as a whole, or Kv).

This event is what acted as the final motivation for me to resign from kingship. I had already become increasingly inactive as the days went on, and the job was no longer fun. I saw little prospect for future ranks in the clan, and I saw how something so petty as bias could easily cause me to have no control in matters, even though I was co-leader of the clan with Dianne.

I didn't play all of my cards right those last days, that's for sure. I failed to notify Ma rii when he should have been, I failed to notify Sound of the "readmission condition" he was subjection to, and I didn't make an attempt to talk to Dianne before her actions caused things to get out of line.

In the end, I feel KOV is now a shell of its former self, and still ever declining (they lost to EOF in a war.. That wasn't even remotely feasible a year ago). And because of how thing went, I can't help but feel partly at fault, which is probably my greatest shame from w83.
Zaire

07-Jul-2014 01:53:41

Zaire
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Zaire

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I would have to disagree. We've had plenty of misunderstandings and disagreements in the past. If you do something I disagree with, I'll let you know. You're a good friend, so I can see why people say that, but you have to tell your friends when they do something wrong, you know? That's what friends are for. It's more tricky when romance is involved.

I have zero problems with Dianne as a person, she was one of my better friends I made when I went through KOV; we got along great. It's just that then, and especially now upon reflection, I loathe her as a leader. She hates confrontation, and when she is forced to lay down the law, she can be easily biased, which is where Kv comes in.

Kv is a guy who holds strongly to his opinions of people and stubbornly sticks to them, much like the ZK leaders many others of w83. He also likes to push this opinions on other people who will take them, which is where we come to Dianne. She's obviously going to be highly receptive to any "advice" he gives her, which is what causes her to be biased as well.

So, since Kv already hated you, and Dianne now had personal reasons to dislike you, it combined into a sort of overwhelming animosity that was finally able to be unleashed when you went after Kv. That's why Kv was given special treatment, and that's why you (and in effect Bard) were given such egregious punishments.

So, as you can see, people have confused my displeasure with the Dianne-Kv mess as an exaltation of you, because they do not know or disagree with what happens "behind the scenes." People will still disagree, of course, but these are my honest thoughts.
Zaire

07-Jul-2014 02:21:41

Zaire
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Zaire

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Well, about a year and a half ago, I would have said remove all the senseless drama. However, from my experience in my latter days, it seems that's how w83 thrives.

I'd suppose having ACTUAL land wars would be what I would change. I think that would give a good supply of "healthy" drama (Drama being good... Look what w83 has done to me...), and it would also give meaning to POC's again. It would give the crappy POC's reason to improve their clan, so they would have to defend their claims yet again, and it would give the ones already prospering reason to sustain.

Right now, they all just sit on their land and do nothing with it except bicker whenever a new clan claims some random land. If you are never willing to war for land but instead find some way to end the declarations prematurely to avoid a war, isn't it meaningless to call yourself a POC?

Who know if that would be a good change, but I think it's worth a try.
Zaire

07-Jul-2014 02:29:38 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2014 02:31:35 by Zaire

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