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Sani btw
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I'm going to say something from a different perspective other than literally 'clans'.

I'm owner of Rago PvM (together with two others), it's the longest successfully running Vorago mass. I've deffinitely felt the impact that Invention had/still has. 4/5th of all my ranks stopped with PvM to get Invention up as quickly and easily as possible.

Two weeks after, I'm still feeling the results of Invention. Although kills are close to being 24/7 again, we still needed to help boost the size using some different techniques.

14-Feb-2016 01:46:54 - Last edited on 14-Feb-2016 03:05:59 by Sani btw

Lisaa
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Interesting, I would have assumed the PvM community overall would have waited for the economy to stabilize, and use the time right now to PvM as much as possible to sell equipment for its record highest amounts. @Lisaa_RS - Followed by @Runescape
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14-Feb-2016 02:48:03

Sani btw
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Lisaa said :
Interesting, I would have assumed the PvM community overall would have waited for the economy to stabilize, and use the time right now to PvM as much as possible to sell equipment for its record highest amounts.

Some have gained from Invention yes. But most just grind out Invention to get Max/Comp back because of the boss-portal.

And honestly, the perks are pretty bad...

14-Feb-2016 03:08:09

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Sani btw said :
I'm going to say something from a different perspective other than literally 'clans'.

I'm owner of Rago PvM (together with two others), it's the longest successfully running Vorago mass. I've deffinitely felt the impact that Invention had/still has. 4/5th of all my ranks stopped with PvM to get Invention up as quickly and easily as possible.

Two weeks after, I'm still feeling the results of Invention. Although kills are close to being 24/7 again, we still needed to help boost the size using some different techniques.


Gee, that's interesting. Like Lisaa, I assumed quite the opposite.
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14-Feb-2016 03:37:29

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PvMe Chuck said :
Max guild is really really.. good for PvM. Prolly why alot of people are rushing it. There are some poeple (me lol) who are waiting it out tho :)


lots in my pvm clan are rushing for it back but im being like chuck and just waiting it out
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14-Feb-2016 06:06:36

Scret
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Victree said :
I understand where you are coming from, but even with how broken invention seems to be at the moment, and the reason that people may not have been going i don't that are going to be lasting effects.
Reason:
People were literally buying the crap out of everything they could get their hands on, and some people still are, to grind to 120 invention(for all those previous compers/maxers out there) and there was just a HUGE market inflation, but as of right now, we are only 3 weeks in and I don't think that it is going to last. eventually once all of these maxers/compers(such as myself) get 120, we wont need to go buy like 1k adamant claws, as an example, to get the (stupid) swift components for our precious pogos! and so on for each item that people bought thousands of so they could rush through invention
Maybe, because of the huge item/money sink it might take a while for it to actually stay even, but im a bit pessimistic in saying i don't think some things will go back to "normal"

Eventually, it is going to settle down. Yes, with the new batches there may be a bit of a spike in prices again, but probably not nearly to the degree they did the last few weeks.

Or, maybe my clan was just lucky and people capped to help the clan, not just for exp :)


Your reason for the skill being broken is that it raised the price of items?
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14-Feb-2016 10:40:26

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PvMe Chuck said :
Max guild is really really.. good for PvM. Prolly why alot of people are rushing it. There are some poeple (me lol) who are waiting it out tho :)

Only reason i even do it is because i want comp back(and boss portal), not because i like it =P

Also @ Scret
No, im not saying that, im saying that regardless of how broken it is or isn't people are, as far as i can tell, only doing invention because

a. They want max cape or comp cape back
b. they want to make money off of training it
c. they dont train it and want to make money off of other people training it(even barrows is way more profitable than it used to if you are lucky enough to get some tops or bottoms and the first week you could make money smithing/skilling again.)

which they would do if it was broken or not because like i said in my main post, a lot of people want 120, and a lot of people are benefiting from the prices of items being much higher than they used to

Maybe I shouldn't have even included the part about it being broken because it really wasn't helpful in the long run. Of course i hate it so im going to call it broken, yeah?

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14-Feb-2016 19:01:28 - Last edited on 14-Feb-2016 19:02:18 by Victree

Tyki Mikk

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Corugi said :



The main incentive for players to join or remain in high tier clans were the citadel skilling plots. These offered a variety of free xp in skills that traditionally were either slow and/or costly to train.

With invention, however, the economy has been turned upside down. It is now profitable to actually make pouches, smith bars, and sell wood.

This will make it difficult for clans to maintain their citadels and get enough visitors each week. It will make recruitment that much more harder.

Apart from the actual quality of clan chat, (which people can get from fc's) skilling clans now offer people very little and ask a lot in return.


Rebuttals to the above points:

I disagree that citadels are the main allure of joining a high tier clan. If people are only joining your clan for citadel access, then they were most likely not going to be great clanmates anyways (with of course some possible exceptions.) Rather, I see a high tier citadel as an indication of a clan's health and organization. It is not a necessary nor a sufficient indicator for those factors, but does serve as a contributor.

As far as economy, I don't know why a skilling clan would complain. Skilling is actually profitable for the first time in ages, not quite to the point to where it outclasses pvm (since you can still get many raw goods quicker from pvm), but enough to where its not a joke.

To all the people saying they failed to meet upkeep when invention came out, that really shouldn't surprise anyone. New skills are pretty monumental updates, and I made sure to manage citadel in a way such that upkeep was met beforehand and that admins knew to cap so other clanmates wouldn't have to worry.

Finally, a fc is not a replacement for the quality of a social clan, otherwise there would be no long-term successful social clans, which primarily succeed through the strength of connections made in the chat.
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15-Feb-2016 14:57:20

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