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Tribelewits

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looking foreward to this muting system :)

Apart from that, remains the same issue in the situation where someone, takes a clanname and acts inapropriate, reflecting bad on the clan.

Can ban them from the clan, can mute them as a guest can ignore them all u want. Thing is its basicly bringing teaspoons of water to the sea.

Its an ongoing battle, and i'm not sure, what exactly, handeling reports comprehends for Jagex work wise tbh.

I suggested a new section in the report system somewhere in someone elses thread a while back, to have a specific, 'harrassing our clan' option.

It could help in a lot of situations, with the 'impersonating an admin+' Or having an inapropriate whatever towards the clan name, wise, examine text wise. But also other stuff like, when you are recruiting and theres someone who wants to delibiratly mess it up, etc etc...

Often they do stuff which can be reported and ends up on a pile of other general reports, which might or might not be looked at. Or might be seen as a seperate case and makes it look not as bad as it actually is. But often the trolling is smart and not reportable like open the interface that makes a dressing booot over a vex etc
I believe when we have a general report option for 'harrassing my clan' I'tll be much more Obvious, when one is just generally rude or is actually focussing to delibiratlky harm complete clans, rather then acting dumb to someone.

I'm not saying one situation should be handeled differently then another, but knowing when one is just being inapropriate here and there or is focussing all their inapropriate and whatnot behavior towards a clan is different. cause this way they affecting way more people.

Not sure that made sense lol

Anyway :) the question is still out there, would it be usefull to just report the name in the flag a concern thread in this specific situation?

But now also, aditionally, can we get a specific report option? or is this to much work?

And thnx for contributing guys :) Proud Co-Owner of the Wolf
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12-Oct-2015 15:32:59

Chunksofplum
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Its all really sad isn't it when the Game is meant to be about community,

We deff take the approach of "do not feed the trolls" as you say they eventually get bored and move on, however when its affecting whether your clan can have guest open there really should be a report option, or even a ban IP option from a clan chat channel, i know there is ways to combat this however it makes it harder for the trolls to get in they may think twice.

I do think the general report button is needing some rethinking, Ive seen someone being reported numerous times by numerous people stand for an hour and threaten a lot of disturbing things and saying some cancerous things to disrupt or troll and nothing is done about it. In fact i even seen someone who acted like this become a Pmod... how is that possible

If Jagex could make a way that makes Admin+ in Clans able to deal with the situation more immediately in some way it would be fantastic

We always have guests open and would never change it, we need it for the community to join in with our events and to join in with our chats

12-Oct-2015 18:15:47

Esploratore
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This problem was an issue as far back as 2009 when I first became involved with clan leadership and (more than likely) was going on before that as well.

Steps that could be taken to help eliminate the problem:

1. Add a clan harassment report option as previously suggested with severe, punitive action taken to reduce such toxic behavior.
2. Provide clans with a muting system.
3. Increase the ignore list.
4. Create the white list so clans can close their chats to the trolls.

Sadly, the game currently lacks any real focus on building a healthy community. And clans are a large part of the Runescape community. We can only hope that more attention is given such issues in the future.

12-Oct-2015 19:36:19

Jpd
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Only Lilly said :
I cannot agree with this thread more, as a clan we are having huge problems with an individual who constantly trolling both our fc and cc making numerous accounts to keep all our staff busy. We have reported in game and also on the voice of concern. There other issues with this individual and yet we can see nothing being done.

We have stopped guests talking in the cc trying to combat this, how long do we have to do this? Every account has been added to the clan ignore.

I do not think enough is done to combat the few who spoil it for the vast majority.

I am at a loss of what some individuals have to do to be ip banned or whatever.

I would love to actually see what happens when a player is reported. What training do the staff actually receive? I am personally interested in seeing what they are told to watch out for?

Could you not share with us on these forums? maybe then we would have more sympathy for the staff reading the reports?

I look forward to the other replies on this thread

It's been a nightmare keeping up with it.. :/
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12-Oct-2015 22:24:02

Tribelewits

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It has already confirmed that ip banning is virtually useless in other threads, since its very easy to mask ip's and change ip's etc.

However i hope some of the other ideas in here get read and done something with :) Proud Co-Owner of the Wolf
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13-Oct-2015 15:16:59

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How effective an IP ban is depends largely on how the player's ISP has their DHCP server configured. Most are on a dynamic IP setup and consequently the router picks up a new IP from DHCP when it is rebooted (there may be some reservation time). And then there's the problem with innocent players potentially "inheriting" the banned IP. This is why IP bans typically aren't a viable solution.

As far as proxies and VPN services go, most of them can be idenitified, but it is also unwise to block them because there are people who use them for legitimate reasons.

Toggles for whitelist + F2P block are crucial solutions to temporarily deal with spam. We, as clan leaders, need reasonable means to protect the community while we wait for Jagex to take appropriate action. I think it's time for them to prioritise the community a little. I don't think it would take a lot of resources to develop these features.

13-Oct-2015 17:28:29

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be smart and take the name, I took defy limits however someone who plays 07 has the name defy limit is a jerk to people and I have had complaints about them before, so I just say nope not affiliated with the clan and people move on
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13-Oct-2015 18:24:32

Warlock
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I'm gonna have to buck the trend in this thread and say that I really don't agree with most of what you're saying, and think quite a lot of it stems from an inflated view of how much control of the game you should be able to exert solely because you run a clan.

Obviously, harassment shouldn't be welcomed, but having picked a name for your clan in no way means you should have any sort of jurisdiction over the usage of that name by unaffiliated parties in different areas of the game.

If someone were to make a clan called 'Warlock', they shouldn't then have the authority to police my conduct for fear that something I do may tarnish their reputation (and visa versa, if I were worried about the impact of their clan on my reputation).

A clan name isn't a universal trademark, and it's by no means a term exclusive to your usage (and nor should it be).

14-Oct-2015 00:56:52

Tribelewits

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Warlock said :
I'm gonna have to buck the trend in this thread and say that I really don't agree with most of what you're saying, and think quite a lot of it stems from an inflated view of how much control of the game you should be able to exert solely because you run a clan.

Obviously, harassment shouldn't be welcomed, but having picked a name for your clan in no way means you should have any sort of jurisdiction over the usage of that name by unaffiliated parties in different areas of the game.

If someone were to make a clan called 'Warlock', they shouldn't then have the authority to police my conduct for fear that something I do may tarnish their reputation (and visa versa, if I were worried about the impact of their clan on my reputation).

A clan name isn't a universal trademark, and it's by no means a term exclusive to your usage (and nor should it be).


Yush, i get that.

Hence my doubt in the first place to put it in the 'flag a concern' in the first place, not really knowing, if it would be taking serious to start with.

But surely, as a clanleader, you can see, theres also stuff said above. That don't nescesarely mean taking the name away, but somehow give us something more then what we curently have, to fight trolls like that, right?

Also i understand why it shouldn't be, as u say, however, when its clearly for trolling purpose, and focussing on bugging a whole clan etc etc. i think it becomes a diferent matter tbh.
Its not just because out of fear what they might do to us, its about knowing, they delibiratly made the name, to troll as yet another tool in Trolly-Land from which we cant defend ourslves.

It works the same way now, with "offensive names" which arent nescesarely offensive, but can be interpreted as just that btw. So its clear, that case by case situations like this can get handled if needed. Proud Co-Owner of the Wolf
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