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Calm Enigma

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Clan Cups have potential to bring the community together with exciting events. After a two-year break, I think it has a chance to come back stronger.

Here are some suggestions to make it succeed:

1) Many of the past Cups had feedback threads with participants' comments on issues and solutions. Find these and take a read

2) Advertise, advertise, advertise. Compared to player-cups, Jagex could do this SO much more effectively, yet typically has not and this has hurt participation. Leverage your social media to the full. Not only to get clans to sign up, but also to keep the hype up during the Cup. Good streaming could be a powerhouse.

3) Make sure the rules are stone solid from the get-go and can be consistently upheld. Otherwise the competition loses credibility. Learn from the mistakes of past Cups and put each rule through the wringer. They should be easy for clans to comply with and be necessary to the fairness of the competition. Oh, and watch out for the ‘mass recruiting’ rule - that’s a royal pain.

4) Many clans were unhappy with past Cups because they felt they had no chance against the strongest clans. Although it would not reflect a clan’s ‘real’ strength, I would suggest using 07 style tournament worlds for some activities to ensure equal access to levels and gear.

5) I would not suggest that players run the Cup again, although they could help JMods in select areas. A RS-wide competition can only be properly hosted by people with dev tools. Regardless of how well organised or fair players can be, they will always be mistrusted and will not be able to provide proper competition environments or rewards in a game structured like RS. Again, after a two-year break, the Clan Cup has a chance to come back with a bang and leave a lasting impression. A player-run one would not be able to achieve this.


Anyway, if you would like any insight into the rules of past Clam Cups, the decisions taken or the criticisms, feel free to dm me on Discord :)
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06-Nov-2018 07:57:46 - Last edited on 06-Nov-2018 08:57:42 by Calm Enigma

Hopalong
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I'm gonna hop on board here too as Calm and I were the two of the consistent forces behind the 2016 and 2013 Player Run Cups.

Calm Enigma said :
5) I would not suggest that players run the Cup again, although they could help JMods in select areas. A RS-wide competition can only be properly hosted by people with dev tools. Regardless of how well organised or fair players can be, they will always be mistrusted and will not be able to provide proper competition environments or rewards in a game structured like RS.

This is by and large the biggest take away I got from running both Cups. Regardless of what the players did to ensure competition credibility, some competitors still thought that the organizers were biased and unfair towards them (still yet to find anything that has proven that they were).

As far as feedback from previous years goes Shauny I've got a doc full of anonymous feedback from 2016 that asked a bunch of different questions that I can send you/take pictures of if you are interested in checking it out.

Other than that I believe the biggest issue facing an organizer is being prompt and communicative with competitors. When we ran the cup in 2013 with 4-5 people, it was a much rougher time and went less smooth than when we ran the cup in 2016 with ~10 or so. Granted, these both ran the 3 Main Cups at the same time, so you'd need less than what we had. If you're planning on running this solo, I would advise you to see about getting maybe one other JMod who can help out as well on board, just in case.
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08-Nov-2018 07:25:39 - Last edited on 08-Nov-2018 07:26:04 by Hopalong

Ladyolake
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Our clan would love it if it was jagex run. also when I spoke to clan about it they really
did not like the skilling in stealing creations.

I know the clan enjoyed it when jagex ran it and it was not in stealing creations but I have
not heard them say they would not do it if it were diff.
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09-Nov-2018 18:46:10 - Last edited on 09-Nov-2018 18:46:59 by Ladyolake

Junglebiscui
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We used to love clan cups when Jagex ran it and it was tracked properly using in game stats, the player run clan cup wasn't great and was really unclear. Would fully support another Jagex run clan cup and would be nice to see some events that all clans can have a chance in, not just the hardcore pvm or hardcore pvp clans.
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10-Nov-2018 10:00:34

Fire Hawk154

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I enjoyed the player-ran cups more than Jagex-ran for the PvP part, as JMods on RS3 have no experience in the PvP field which results in bad decisions. If you're going to hold a PvP cup, take feedback from people with actual warring experience and ask the OSRS team for advice. At the same time I'm not sure howmany PvP clans there are left in RS3 as my clan moved to OSRS. Since none of the combat issues have been solved I doubt there's been a growth in PvP clans though. If advertised properly you might be able to get more clans into a PvP cup, but I would advice to have 2 leagues then (1 for established warring clans, 1 for non-warring clans). Also, you'd have to update Clan Wars so people get all their supplies back after a fight as it's rather costly for newer players. Could even add some small prices for all participants instead of just the winners. The PvP Cups are only fun if a lot of clans/people participate and not just the top 5.

As for the skilling cup, add enough prices as well to get more clans to participate. It's not just about winning but also about growing a larger clanning community. There's no reason for F2P clans to participate in it as their XP rates are so much lower. Perhaps make a separate P2P and F2P bracket.
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10-Nov-2018 12:50:43

Shikimoko4
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Definitely would be interested in a clan cup! My clan has participated in prior clan cups, ran by both Jagex and players and we've enjoyed both.

I would advise the following:
1. If you're going to have multiple leagues for a particular type of competition (this is mostly a problem in warring), I wouldn't go crazy on the number of leagues. A few options are great, but too many is overwhelming. It also reduces the significance of winning the event. How great of a clan are you if you win the "Under 20 CB, bronze equipment only" tier? In grand scheme of things - it's not really that respectable. It'd be like a teacher awarding a trophy for the highest D in the class - literally everyone with A's through C's is better than that person, and the only reason they get a trophy is because of an arbitrary bracket.

If you instead want to have a league that doesn't take into account levels or gear, then I'd encourage a whole new type of competition - say where you have to make a new account, spend an hour on it and then fight/skill with that account.

2. I also suggest trying to invent a new type of competition that maybe is just focused on teamwork. For example, Trouble Brewing can be played competitively and isn't really based on skills in RS or equipment, but on how well you work with a team. This type of competition could be appealing for lower-level clans, who aren't as savvy with skills or gear.

3. Advertising is a must - the competition needs to be promoted by Jagex and also by clans. Discord should help a lot in this matter, but if possible, consider having an in-game promotion/sign-up area?

4. Finally, filming was a pain in the ass for the PVM cup in the past. If there could be a way to track this in-game, much appreciated.

Looking forward to this event!
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10-Nov-2018 20:24:16

MLVYV
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Being apart of the last 2 clan cups, i would like to see one ran my you guys @shawny.
i personally know a lot of players and clans who would want to participate
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11-Nov-2018 01:46:53

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