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Esploratore
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I've recently started playing a sports-related mmo. It offers guilds and I decided to join one after receiving a personal invite in my game mailbox from one.

The game developers do some cool things. I find a gift in my mailbox on weekends, just for logging in. When my guild reaches a milestone, the game acknowledges it with a note of congratulations and a token surprise gift (it's a wrapped gift icon) in my mailbox the next time I play.

What the developers have done is thoughtful and acknowledges that they appreciate people who have chosen to spend some of their leisure hours playing their game. They also support their guilds and cheer them on.

The spirit of goodwill is greatly appreciated. If only Jagex were inspired to do something similar.

01-Aug-2016 20:11:05

DrBrokenBow

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Unfortunately it does feel that clans are largely ignored, and we're certainly not cared for in terms of updates. Instead all we get are excuses - such as "the citadel is spaghetti code therefore we can't work on it." Or "it would take too much time, and not enough players want it."

I feel that Jagex haven't realized that just because the main playerbase don't ask for it, doesn't mean it's not a necessary feature. Without clans, where would the game be?
Yes, there are friends chats; but it's just not the same - there's no commitment to a friends chat like there is a clan chat.

A small gift would be nice every once in a while. Many other MMOs do a daily free item for players that log in - and if you log in for 7 days in a row, you get a special item. Yes, we have treasure hunter - but the other MMOs give the gift on a system that isn't necessarily paid for.

Whilst we have the citadel and it's levelling system, which could potentially be seen as a "Your clan levelled up, congratulations!" it's also not a necessarily liked thing. I don't know the statistics of clans that use a citadel, or the amount of people that use it, but I feel that something else might be nice.

Again, taking from other MMOs, they have a levelling system that is based off experience gained. Quite often rewards include thing like an experience boost for a week that's clan wide - and not requiring something like an avatar to follow you. Or, crafting chance increase (not as applicable, but could be something like more chance of gaining resources from gathering skills/chance of not using items in artisan skills).

I don't know, just a thought really. MrBrokenBow - Former Leader and Founder of
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01-Aug-2016 22:34:54

Leader Rob

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DrBrokenBow said :
Unfortunately it does feel that clans are largely ignored, and we're certainly not cared for in terms of updates. Instead all we get are excuses - such as "the citadel is spaghetti code therefore we can't work on it." Or "it would take too much time, and not enough players want it."

I feel that Jagex haven't realized that just because the main playerbase don't ask for it, doesn't mean it's not a necessary feature. Without clans, where would the game be?
Yes, there are friends chats; but it's just not the same - there's no commitment to a friends chat like there is a clan chat.

A small gift would be nice every once in a while. Many other MMOs do a daily free item for players that log in - and if you log in for 7 days in a row, you get a special item. Yes, we have treasure hunter - but the other MMOs give the gift on a system that isn't necessarily paid for.

Whilst we have the citadel and it's levelling system, which could potentially be seen as a "Your clan levelled up, congratulations!" it's also not a necessarily liked thing. I don't know the statistics of clans that use a citadel, or the amount of people that use it, but I feel that something else might be nice.

Again, taking from other MMOs, they have a levelling system that is based off experience gained. Quite often rewards include thing like an experience boost for a week that's clan wide - and not requiring something like an avatar to follow you. Or, crafting chance increase (not as applicable, but could be something like more chance of gaining resources from gathering skills/chance of not using items in artisan skills).

I don't know, just a thought really.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Over the years Jagex has made several u turns on updates they felt were the best interest for their game, Wilderness removal & Free Trade Cap, Clan probation system, etc... I just hope they realise how valuable clans actually are to the game soon. Creator of the Clan Leader Discord & Clan Discord
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01-Aug-2016 22:44:54

GEE0H

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I'm sure Matthe and/or Maz could look this up for us... but what % of all players belong to a clan chat? In my experience of examining (stalking) people, I'd say it's well over 90%. I understand Jagex doesn't want trim/comp reqs in clan activity. That you can gain true completion of the game without the help of a group of people.

That's the problem in today's RS clan community. PvM communities are declining because the need for teams are very limited. Only bosses you really cant solo are beastmaster/yaka and kalphite king (unless you're pro with stuns) PvM communities used to flock to Nex like crazy. However, Nex has become... uhhh... a joke? Ye, that's the word for it. Skilling communities have declined because a large percentage of the active player population is maxed already. (Other than Invention, which has limited use for the avatar) Moreover, skills these days are much faster, more AFK, and makes the ava bonus... really not worth the time. As for PvP communities... oh wait... do they even still exist? EoC nearly wiped them all out and the ones that still exist have a hard time looking for wars against other clans.

In all reality, i believe we could use the clan fealty/cloak in this instance. 1) scale the rewards... the 8k xp lamp per week is not worth the trouble of 2 hours worth of citadel. 2) enhanced versions of the cloak... much similar to ardougne cloak. Install a leveling system as mentioned above of some sort and give the cloak, not only cosmetic differences, but uses such as teleports to clan resources/bosses. These can be tuned like the portals in Maxed Garden/Guild for Overseer+ Ranks. This is just an idea we could add to or give it some thought.
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02-Aug-2016 00:59:36

Vera

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Support, clans contribute a lot to selling--you might have f2pers who purchase membership so they can join their p2p clannies on bossing trips or events, you have members who continue their membership because the community is what keeps them playing Runescape, you might have, your clannies talk about interesting content that keeps your subscribing since you otherwise wouldn't have found out about such neat stuff to do...

And clans are literally communities. There are a few clans I've guested a few times by now, and each has a different vibe:

The Scrying Pool - questing and lore. Also the first ever clan I joined.
The Triumvirate - Remnants of my Triumvirate community.
Wild Ones - Remannts of the fc I used to be in, RSHC.
Vincimus - Met someone who was really nice, he invited me to guest his clan, his clannies were all really welcoming.
Nomad - A bunch of people whose homeworld is w100, and Skooma, one of the leaders, is really cool.
Bass n Drums - Ray has some pretty ray-ving puns.
RS Forumers - What I normally guest, since the chat isn't spammy and because I like the forums.

These are only a few of the types of clans out there, and already the people in them are different, their cultures are different, even how I act in different ones is different. That means some of these communities you can't find anywhere else, and that's part of Runescape's appeal.
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02-Aug-2016 01:26:19

Erehk

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GEE0H said :
I'm sure Matthe and/or Maz could look this up for us... but what % of all players belong to a clan chat? In my experience of examining (stalking) people, I'd say it's well over 90%.
Here's a quote from a few months ago. :)

Mod Matthe said :
The current percentage of active members in Clans is 60%. I believe active members for this purpose is "players with current membership who have been active within the last 7 days". That is up slightly on this time 2 years ago and significantly up on this time 4 years ago.
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02-Aug-2016 01:43:58

Fire Hawk154

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Vera said :
These are only a few of the types of clans out there, and already the people in them are different, their cultures are different, even how I act in different ones is different. That means some of these communities you can't find anywhere else, and that's part of Runescape's appeal.

That's why it's great to be part of more than 1 clan. I'm currently in 2, soon 3, and they're all quite different. :)
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02-Aug-2016 09:25:57

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Wouldnt get your hopes up, this game has become so stagnant, the investors have ruined it with their money making schemes, the MTX are let rampant to destroy any and all parts of the game they can with their ill placed promotions, a serious lack of knowledge or direction from the developers, Runescape use to have a reputation for being a fun game and respected game for how popular it was but over the years its transformed itself into a Facebook game shoving advertisements in your face the minute you log in, on top of that theres an inability to fix its many thousands of bugs and quality control in its updates, "just pump out as many unfinished and pointless updates you can, that'll fool them"

The only thing keeping this game together is its extremely loyal fanbase

I remember the days of Jagex and this game winning awards on a yearly basis and am not surprised that a lot of staff jumped ship.

We find ourselves in a situation that Jagex are so scared to lose customers that its scared to make the right decisions such as administer the correct bans for the correct rule breaking (just show a few key bans on a live stream and then people will think youre doing well) and to have the courage to produce less new updates and actually fix and update what we have which includes community tools and clans.

Anything that needs fixing or addressing gets done waaay too slowly and waaaay too late, if theres not enough developers working at Jagex to deal with the massive workload then hire some more or make cuts in other areas that are pointless, i reckon some people are stealing a living working at Jagex.
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02-Aug-2016 10:54:02

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