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IMP Sparta
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I've recently helped recreating my old clan which went corrupt. We changed some ways and love thw input/view of others.
But too be honest, some ideas are going right to rhe trash bin.
Compare it to runelabs, way to much rubbish butcsome ideas are interesting though
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16-Jun-2016 17:57:48

Lisaa
Jun Member 2014

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Our clan is pretty much run by the clan leader. If people have input, they're listened to and a respectful discussion takes place, but at the end of the day it's ultimately up to the clan leader to say yes or no to things.

Ranking in the clan is based off of participation in the clan without a points system. Participation includes recruiting, capping, talking in CC, being part of our FB group chat, attending events, organizing events, etc... Non-clan members can earn unofficial "credit" by doing these things, and thus can enter the clan up to and including lieutenant rank if they've been helpful enough during their time as guests. Promotions/Demotions are up to the discretion of our clan leader, but simply asking him to promote a specific person will usually work too. If someone wants to be the person who grants the promotion/demotion/kick, they need to leave a message with him on Facebook or Twitter, and he usually responds soon. [***]

Like I said, the input of clanmembers and "whitelisted" guests is very important and always listened to. I remember several weeks back we did an inactivity cleanup. This was something our leader was extremely opposed to, but we ultimately did it under the condition of only inactive people below 100,000 XP gathered while in the clan would be kicked. Quite honestly, just getting him to agree to it was an achievement in itself, because he was so opposed to it.

[***]We do actually have an official statement in our rules that allows for an emergency override of this however. The clause is a catch-all which grants admin+ ranks permission to take swift action to remove issues that pop up, in the event that the leader is not present during these situations. Issues can include guests spamming the chat, or something with a clanmate. Such situations do need to be reported after the fact though, so our leader can decide if the action the admin did should be modified at all.
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16-Jun-2016 21:52:23

Seer of War

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It's not 100% my way, over the years there have been several useful ideas that we have discussed and chosen to adopt. However, there have also been a LOT of suggested ideas that we did not adopt for various reasons.

If we have an issue then I will ask for specific feedback and ideas on a certain topic. Members and leaders also know that they can talk to me about pretty much any topic, so I've gotten some suggestions and ideas out of the blue.

Typically, I will thank them for their suggestion and ask for some time to consider the proposal. Sometimes we end up incorporating the idea (or a more feasible version of it) after some thought. Many times suggestions are not implemented.

Ultimately, I have veto power and absolute control over how our clan operates. Nothing really gets implemented without my approval. Things I consider when thinking about ideas and suggestions are:

Benefits vs Costs
Amount of change required (whether it could be implemented immediately or would require certain preconditions that we would have to first make adjustments to accompolish).
Any and all unintended consequences on both staff and members.
How much work and effort would be involved in implementation and what kind of maintenance the proposal would require to keep running.
Etc

Because our clan is well established and runs smoothly, I am quite conservative when it comes to changes. The old phrase "If it ain't broke then don't fix it" often comes to mind.

Ultimately I have to be convinced that the benefit the clan would receive will far outweigh the amount of work required to implement a suggestion. Honestly this is a pretty high bar to meet. Most of our clan's community, and certainly our leadership team understands this and is generally supportive of decisions after I explain how I view it. Sometimes I've been convinced to change my mind when presented with things I might have overlooked. But our clan's decisions are very much centralized.
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17-Jun-2016 00:59:05

Vera

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Shamk said :
I want a very low maintenance clan and them not so much. (I'm NOT lazy, however the simpler things are kept, the less I have to field and therefore the less it intrudes upon my RL pursuits and everybody's, that's my reasoning anyhow...) If I play hardball and say it's my way or the highway, they may not be interested in helping me at all, and without them, things could easily be 3x harder.
Can you still found a clan with your friends, but simply have a lower rank? That way you can be more a clan member that can "lead from behind," because I've done that before during the Triumvirate, when supporting or helping out with other's events, and it works pretty effectively.

It's similar to how magicians or politicians will seed people in the audience :P
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17-Jun-2016 10:28:29

Vera

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Ignore List said :
As a clan leader you sell your vision to your clan members hence why they join. You sell your vision to your admins and in return if they agree/are interested they will help you achieve that vision.
I'd like to add on to what
Ignore List
has said, as well as how
Archaeox
,
Calm Enigma
,
Guardian Elf
,
Cuddle Bucket
,
Lisaa
, and
Seer of War
have talked about not just being receptive to, but also encouraging feedback from clanmates.

When you create a clan, what is your exigence in doing so? Are you looking to foster a community of people that you can belong to?

If so, that requires courting people to "buy into your vision," as
Ray
(Ignore List) has mentioned, and that "courtship" doesn't end as soon as they join, because their continued membership isn't guaranteed.

There's also a difference between what the people want and what's best for the people--and sometimes, people don't know what's best for them--but if your clannies are aware that you are trying to do the best for them, then they are more likely to stay.

To help court your clannies, making decisions for the community overall, in alignment of your vision of what type of community you want, and not for yourself or for the type of structure you want, is effective when the target of your courting is aware that that's what you're trying to do.

I've told people some "negative" but genuine opinions of them to their face, what was "best" for them, and to be honest they appreciate it often enough to be surprising. Tbh I wish I had screenies

In this case, courting your community trumps deciding the structure of your clan, because the underlying implicit assumption, the exigence for your creating a clan, is ultimately to foster a community of motivated and happy clanmates in which you belong.

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17-Jun-2016 10:42:34 - Last edited on 17-Jun-2016 11:02:44 by Vera

Vera

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Literary definitions of some terms I've used:

Exigence - pragmatic reason for why you're doing something. For example, the motive of someone directing a war documentary might be to show people the sacrifices our soldiers have made. The exigence, however, is one step more meta--his/her exigence might be to harness their emotion that were a result of a loved one's war-related death, or because they need to make a movie in order to make money.

Implicit assumption - underlying values that you need to be aware of in order to understand someone's argument or opinion. For example, one person might argue that we should recycle, and the implicit assumptions for that are that recycling is good for the environment, that we should care about the environment, *and* that by recycling, we can actually make a difference (aka it's worthwhile).
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17-Jun-2016 10:49:38 - Last edited on 17-Jun-2016 10:57:39 by Vera

Shamk
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Thank-you to everyone who has replied! I want to address a few of your posts better, but currently I don't have enough time, I'll be back around though, feel free to keep posting. It's helpful and intriguing.
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18-Jun-2016 05:07:49

Ledr Knuckls

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Hey, i am Proud owner of clan: Living Souls Of Rs.

I have been in a few clans and been owner of a few clans. My main vision for our clan is to help those who need help with, since there are as far as what im seeing, there are returning players who played long time ago and now coming back to Rs.

Everyone in the clan has there own strengths and weakness, and no idea goes to waste, and we try to apply the ideas as much as possible, but that is hard to do because of everyone is either in school, working, and of course have real lives to take care of.

Our ranking system is based on 2 different factors, Being social in clan via helping other members out, hosting events, bossing, pvming, or anything that plays to thier strengths. and we have capping which is to apply to get ranked and also once a recruit has been in a clan for 1 full week they automaticlly become corporal rank.

We also have Social and skilling, what i said about social just above applys and all recruits who been in a clan get auto ranked to corporal rank, but with skilling rank, those who are f2p can apply to gain a rank up when they reach the certian amount of xp gained, so can p2p but for f2p the f2p cant cap at citadel because there is no citadel for them,

I am generally online daily but our clan is also on fb, some are on skype and hopefully one day i can get a teamspeak set up or something similar to teamspeak, so we can be alot more active then what we are currently now. But as i was saying, everyone does have a way to contact me, skype, fb, and our clan does have clan email if there happen to be clan issues concerning other clan members.
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18-Jun-2016 13:42:28

Ledr Knuckls

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For me i find it mostly easily if you keep the clan / citadel simple then to go big and fast, and have the clan die, with that being said, you do get clan members who may agree with you but they do sometimes disagree, in the end its your clan, and you do have to ultimatly make the decision on the topics / ideas.

You will also get clan members possibly guests who start causing problems for the clan, and trying to ruin the clan, and that would be in the end to talk to them first give a warning and if they dont stop, you sometimes have to demote them, or kick / ban them if they are guests or even kick those who are causing a rift betwteen the clan,

Being a clan owner is extremely hard work and there will always be someone in clan or guest who will not like you but in the end you do have to be strict depending on the situation.

With that being said, Mr McCoy is ——> is signing off now and I am a Proud Owner of Living Souls Of Rs, feel free to come into my clan as a guest anytime, goes for anyone thats reading this post bye and i hoped i helped out. :)

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18-Jun-2016 13:47:58 - Last edited on 18-Jun-2016 13:52:43 by Ledr Knuckls

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