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Zyphix
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Esploratore said :
@ Zyphix - Parts of your reply were rather harsh.

Some people are better at sales, promotion and marketing than others.

In my own experience in previous years, we had a deputy owner who was very good at recruiting. She was able to chat in public in a way that enticed other players to give our clan a try and join.

Then there was another aspect of it, too. When a new recruit entered clan chat for the first time, members were so absorbed in whatever they were doing at the time that they didn't welcome the new member. That was a huge fail. Overall, the clannies weren't bad people at all. They just weren't invested enough in supporting the recruiting efforts.

This may be a result of society these days. We sometimes don't relate to others socially as well as we should.. "Sales promotion"? Just considering all "this" makes me kinda irritated further. I mean, getting one person to "con"vince people to join a clan where the only social person they're going to interact with (temporarily or long-term) is just a recruiter and the rest of the clan isn't going to interact with you is rather misleading, and probably a contributing factor to why I hear so many negative opinions on past clan experiences. It's not enough to "get people in the clan", you have to actually DO something with them. Holy Cithara... Clan:
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25-Feb-2017 23:50:36

Esploratore
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@ Zyphix

If you're recruiting for a clan with players who are hearing about your clan for the first time, it's a form of promotion. The initial contact is made, they join (or guest in the cc) and then the interactions with others in the clan determine if a new member feels welcome and wants to stay.

The same skill set used in clan recruitment is often utilized in sales and marketing. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.

And it's not all that unusual for some clans to have periods of silence either. The introduction of EoC and the focus on "no xp waste" for many has had an influence on how some play the game. That playing style has been to the detriment of how some clans function. But that's a topic for another thread.

26-Feb-2017 00:41:18

Zyphix
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Esploratore said :
The same skill set used in clan recruitment is often utilized in sales and marketing. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. Your insults fail to prove your point, especially arguing the wrong one...

Promotion and advertising are not the same as misleading and con-artistry. That's why 'false-advertising' laws exist. It's really "not that hard to grasp"... The difference is "ethics", which your crass approach to what people mean to you and the OP so clearly lacks. You only see people as statistics, as your tools... I just recently today talked to somebody who had been 'baited' by clan recruiters that were interactive, but ran into exactly this kind of 'clan'. A sad shell of a presentation with zero substance behind it.

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26-Feb-2017 02:59:27 - Last edited on 26-Feb-2017 03:02:56 by Zyphix

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Zyphix said :
Esploratore said :
The same skill set used in clan recruitment is often utilized in sales and marketing. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. Your insults fail to prove your point, especially arguing the wrong one...

Promotion and advertising are not the same as misleading and con-artistry. That's why 'false-advertising' laws exist. It's really "not that hard to grasp"... The difference is "ethics", which your crass approach to what people mean to you and the OP so clearly lacks. You only see people as statistics, as your tools... I just recently today talked to somebody who had been 'baited' by clan recruiters that were interactive, but ran into exactly this kind of 'clan'. A sad shell of a presentation with zero substance behind it.

Get off my battlestaff, mate.

Youre very naive if you think that advertisement and promotion techniques dont use some form of manipulation or embellishment of truths.
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26-Feb-2017 16:20:19

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@ paddy, players are not going to be looking to join a clan on db xp weekends, as 100% of the time they are right into skilling up the levels they want. so thats a huge fail on your part paddy,

the best you could of done was place the vex down somewhere is most populated area and skill there or do whatever you want to do somewhere else.

recruiting on dbxp weekends sounds great, as i done it 2 times in past clans and pretty much failed.
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27-Feb-2017 04:41:29 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2017 04:43:22 by Ledr Knuckls

Zyphix
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Scret said :
Youre very naive if you think that advertisement and promotion techniques dont use some form of manipulation or embellishment of truths. You always underestimate other's intellect or nah? I'm very aware many do, however, I'm also aware they shouldn't and don't have to - are you?

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So if somebody is simply tricked into something, guess what? They eventually can clearly see through the ruse at what you're giving after a certain point. They realized what 'product' is really being produced and sold to them - BS. This does nothing for anyone but waste their time and yours. As a promoter, your members aren't staying and paints you as inept as you really are, as they realize you don't have anything to offer a client of any substance, and as they leave, word spreads. Lie and you will be found out. That's the bottom line. You can only last so long riding waves of deception. Dishonesty breeds mistrust. Just look at our sad state of a society for example. It's all the same. The cure is bluntness, honesty and truth. So if you have no game plan, if you have nothing to offer, you have no business at all.

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27-Feb-2017 16:41:30 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2017 16:51:11 by Zyphix

Scret
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Zyphix said :
Scret said :
Youre very naive if you think that advertisement and promotion techniques dont use some form of manipulation or embellishment of truths. You always underestimate other's intellect or nah? I'm very aware many do, however, I'm also aware they shouldn't and don't have to - are you?

*Firm believer in WYSIWYG*
So if somebody is simply tricked into something, guess what? They eventually can clearly see through the ruse at what you're giving after a certain point. They realized what 'product' is really being produced and sold to them - BS. This does nothing for anyone but waste their time and yours. As a promoter, your members aren't staying and paints you as inept as you really are, as they realize you don't have anything to offer a client of any substance, and as they leave, word spreads. Lie and you will be found out. That's the bottom line. You can only last so long riding waves of deception. Dishonesty breeds mistrust. Just look at our sad state of a society for example. It's all the same. The cure is bluntness, honesty and truth. So if you have no game plan, if you have nothing to offer, you have no business at all.

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Theres enough examples of advertisment to suggest that none of this is accurate.

Because McDonalds burgers certainly dont look like what they do on the menus right, I would suggest McDonalds are doing alrite for themselves.
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27-Feb-2017 20:22:28 - Last edited on 27-Feb-2017 20:23:50 by Scret

Esploratore
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Zyphix said :
Esploratore said :
The same skill set used in clan recruitment is often utilized in sales and marketing. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. Your insults fail to prove your point, especially arguing the wrong one...

Promotion and advertising are not the same as misleading and con-artistry. That's why 'false-advertising' laws exist. It's really "not that hard to grasp"... The difference is "ethics", which your crass approach to what people mean to you and the OP so clearly lacks. You only see people as statistics, as your tools... I just recently today talked to somebody who had been 'baited' by clan recruiters that were interactive, but ran into exactly this kind of 'clan'. A sad shell of a presentation with zero substance behind it.

Get off my battlestaff, mate.

Your ad hominem attack is based on false assumptions. While I have my short-comings (as we all do), resorting to deceptive practices when recruiting was never one of them. Nor was there a lack of appreciation for each person behind the avatar who was a part of my clan.

If you want to debate on who may very well have a "crass approach to what people mean to" them, with an emphasis on statistics, I cite your post dated 13 Feb 2017: [qfc id= 86-87-401-65880149]500 Member Milestone[/qfc]

The QFC may not work properly in this post, but I'm sure you recall the one I'm referring to regardless. The reader could find your comments about "spring cleaning" to get "rid" of members in order to reach a "milestone" goal rather crass.

This will be all I have to say on the matter. I'd wanted to just drop it until I saw that you've attacked my character. If you are still itching for a fight, you'll have to look elsewhere.

27-Feb-2017 22:18:03

Zyphix
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Esploratore said :
...BS BS BS BS Something out of context... BS BS BS... In reference to characters that are going unused/unplayed, in reference to idle usernames without a person behind them... You're adorable in the way you'll stalk somebody, then use your distortion tactics to create slander out of something unrelated, in order to attempt to make somebody who calls you out look lesser than yourself. Sad how "good" you have become at it. If I weren't so good at detecting BS, I'd fall for it like the average passerby. Maybe you can retain members in your clan the way you manage to spew without anything concrete. If there's nothing fitting, you'll just find the closest thing to suit you instead. LOL. Go back to "running your clan". Your character was never in question until you just did that - only stupid dishonest recruitment tactics, which aren't necessarily limited to yourself. Clan:
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