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Dilbert2001
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@Mini JIT

Of course I don't have the exact dates some Legacy Only Worlds got removed as RS3 is 22 years old.

We can easily count how many players are in Legacy Only Worlds. It is just a tiny percentage of all players. Whatever reason players use a game feature, they like that feature over other features. If they like xp/damage of non-legacy mode, they naturally select EOC and Revo. It doesn't matter if they use EOC/Revo against a goblin or for Alpha and Omega.

It is natural selection, and when RS3 devs see players like the overwhelming majority of players not disinterested in the game doesn't prefer Legacy Mode, they will have to be wise to add some content featuring abilities just like most of the successful games in 2023.

10-Sep-2023 19:53:30 - Last edited on 10-Sep-2023 19:56:50 by Dilbert2001

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"Although it may be seen as a simpler system, players who choose to use it are not penalised.
Combat
is much simpler - simply click on an enemy to attack them and your character will do all the work"


Please pay attention to the context, it refers to combat not being penalized specifically, and nothing about quest. Similar to other game modes, each game mode has its restriction and is penalized in a certain way. For instance Ironmen are definitely penalized by not being able to trade and use the GE, group etc. If you choose to be using specific game modes, you should know you will have inevitably be "penalized" in some ways to play the game.


Context? Necromancy is a combat skill is it not? The Alpha vs Omega quest, you do what?Fight Hermod and Rasial which is combat.
Jagex has choosen to provide their players with 2 options to do combat Legacy and Eoc, yet in Legacy mode the quest can't be completed. And then we are back to that line "players who choose to use it are not penalised" Which is not true, and in my opinion Jagex should adress that, either by making it posible to complete quest or rewrite the part of the game guide on combat. So players know what they are buying. Like any other products people buy, the description should be truthfull which it's not right now.
My goal with this thread was not so much a debate on this subject, but a hope that Jagex would read this and hopefully do something to fix it. So all players have equal chance to complete content, which we don't have at this point.

10-Sep-2023 23:23:38

Dilbert2001
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Many quests have combat content but quests aren't combat content themselves. They are lore and other things in RS3 quests.

No, again, Jagex has provided us players with 3 options to do combat, Revolution, Legacy and EOC, with Revolution just as easy as Legacy.

Players know what they are buying already. With RS3, it is an MMORPG. Jagex doesn't just sell "combat" or "legacy mode" to consumers. Besides, they are giving us every changing game update and everything in the game currently can be, and more likely will be, changed later.

10-Sep-2023 23:48:57

Rikornak
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https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/168ilig/after_a_few_tries_ive_managed_to_beat_story/

Certainly doable. A lot of things that are not actually intended for legacy combat (which basically are most things released in the past decade) can be beaten with it. But it obviously will demand more of you than actual pre-EoC combat, so it's something more of a personal challenge, rather than a viable (or just feasible) way to do it.

Since it's obviously not the reason you're sticking to it, the easier way for you would be switching to revolution combat, looking up a decent bar and still let the game do most of the things for you.

But yeah - it's certainly doable with legacy, but I guess you would struggle a lot with quite a few of the newer quest bosses in OS as well - which are fully made for that combat system, but certainly are more demanding than most of the things that existed back in the day. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

11-Sep-2023 07:10:27 - Last edited on 11-Sep-2023 07:38:29 by Rikornak

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"I am one of the players that uses Legacy mode to play the game, I prefere the simpler layout over the more click intensive EOC mode."


"Edit to add:
I am well aware of Eoc Revolution Mode with Legacy interface and I have tried playing the game like that."


Glad to know you know Revolution Mode explicit so you should have answered your question about simpler layout and click intensity. The obviously answer is "NO DIFFERENT, Shrug!" (with emoticon) as J1mmy opined.

"I hope this is an oversight by Jagex and this will get fixed asap, so Legacy users can get their quest cape."


I don't think so as there are a few RS3 features that require abilities. For instance, kill Zilyana under the effect of an ultimate. Players knew them for like a decade, but hardly anybody has any issue just using abilities once in a blue moon. Jagex knew it for a decade, players who aren't interested in RS3 knew it for a decade, even many OSRS players who were disinterested in RS3 voiced out with no different, no problem. It is nothing new at all, and nothing to be "fixed".

Legacy players coming to RS3 are going to be naturalized by the awesomeness of Full Manual EOC and the ease and superiority of Revolution over Legacy Mode anyway. That's why we see Legacy Only Worlds keep getting removed as RS3 players have selected EOC/Revolution Modes naturally. Nothing to fixed, and a waste of time to try to fix against natural selection.

EoC was a mistake.
Jagex removed legacy players so why would they be in legacy worlds?
Where's Slushypants?
Oh?

11-Sep-2023 08:51:42

CaptKoloth
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There are many things wrong with how Necromancer was handled. One is that it requires EOC to be totally effective. The other is that a person gains way more experience doing Rituals. Which was supposed to be a secondary mode for people who really really didn't want to use combat to level the skill. The skill is a combat skill. Not a non combat skill. EOC is required to use the main abilities of the skill in combat. End of story. It is plainly stated that Legacy disables them.

11-Sep-2023 13:46:10 - Last edited on 11-Sep-2023 13:47:03 by CaptKoloth

Dilbert2001
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bad names said :

My goal with this thread was not so much a debate on this subject, but a hope that Jagex would read this and hopefully do something to fix it. So all players have equal chance to complete content, which we don't have at this point.

If you goal to hope Jagex read what you think and hopefully do something to fix it, then perhaps you want to file a bug report, because I have never seen Jagex coming to the Existing Game Content forum to look for something to fix.

You may also want to make a suggestion in the Game Content Suggestion Forum because there is a better chance Jmods will visit that forum.

11-Sep-2023 17:45:00

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