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Xavathos
Nov Member 2016

Xavathos

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Whatusaytome said :
Xav, explain how the combat academy harms people. It literally forces our suggestion there. How are you harmed when you go there now?

Who says anything about harm? Your suggestion doesn't harm me. I never even said that.

I said your suggestion is the other side of the same coin. It's turning black into white, or vice versa, when it should be grey. I don't even care about all that though, that's not even what bothers me with you.

You support this suggestion on the premise of you lagging as a result of others having pets out, while your lag is a byproduct of your own choice to play the game on a system incapable of doing so to your expectations. It's not a bug and you're not a helpless victim of anything out of your power, so Jagex's responsibility is out of the question here. Instead of owning up to your own expectations and fixing the issue yourself, for example by upgrading your system, you're instead saying to all of us "fork you guys, your pets can fudge right off, because I want my frame rate up on my potato". That's so incredibly selfish, mate, and such a backward way of tackling an issue. THAT is my problem with you.

It's not about my "dollar" being worth more than your experience, or my drake or whatever. I don't even LIKE having a drake out, because it's huge and blocking my view as much as anyone elses. I really just collect the pets, that's all. But I still believe that I should be ABLE to have my drake out, if I choose to do so. Owning it provides me that right, in any case much more so than you have the right to remove it, especially for such selfish reasons. Be the change you would like to see in the world.

16-Aug-2019 00:00:33 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2019 00:05:18 by Xavathos

Whatusaytome
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I own the skypouncer, a Legendary pet the same as the drake. I have as much right as any drake owner.

And again, you say you feel like you deserve to have your drake out, implying that this suggestion changes that? This suggestion let's me be around you while you have it out.
Yet you haven't once appeared to acknowledge that.

And you still victim blame forcing every player to upgrade just to play runescape when a cheap update can solve it. You don't understand that's harming people in real life when a simpler option the company may eventually choose to do anyway, would be easier, simpler, and cheaper
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16-Aug-2019 00:08:27

Whatusaytome
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Whatusaytome

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If the combat academy doesnt harm you, then this wont either. So get over yourself. If you dont support it because of me, then leave the thread. Your problem is with me wanting the multimillion dollar company to pay for a small development instead of forcing everybody to upgrade to play the same game they already play. It's not a problem with the suggestion, obviously.

I'll say again, the only reasons against, are petty and selfish. The update makes people able to play, the update has a vast support by a vast amount of people who loved the combat academy update.

And you just think people need a rig like yours just to play runescape, and dont support people being able to play on anything not as fancy.
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16-Aug-2019 00:14:44

Xavathos
Nov Member 2016

Xavathos

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Whatusaytome said :
I own the skypouncer, a Legendary pet the same as the drake. I have as much right as any drake owner.

And again, you say you feel like you deserve to have your drake out, implying that this suggestion changes that? This suggestion let's me be around you while you have it out.
Yet you haven't once appeared to acknowledge that.

And you still victim blame forcing every player to upgrade just to play runescape when a cheap update can solve it. You don't understand that's harming people in real life when a simpler option the company may eventually choose to do anyway, would be easier, simpler, and cheaper

Yeah, and let's go back to Nokia 3310, too? Much simpler and cheaper.

I find it very interesting that you should point out that you own a legendary pet and therefor have as much right as anyone else. Yes, you absolutely have a right to have the pet out whenever you want, I'm glad you agree!

So then, why are you trying to get rid of them for other people if you believe that? What gives you that right? You seem to want to have your cake and eat it too. It doesn't work that way, mate.

Is it because you don't like certain pets? Is it your lag? Is it based on how much you like the person that owns it? What justifies this for you, allowing you to have your own personal view on the world without others being allowed to express themselves? In other words, what makes it okay for your view to take priority over that of those around you, in a virtual world that we're all guests?

Please don't get offended and lash out, it's an honest set of questions, I'm curious. Trying to at least understand where you're coming from. Be the change you would like to see in the world.

16-Aug-2019 00:16:20 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2019 11:10:02 by Xavathos

Xavathos
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Whatusaytome said :
If the combat academy doesnt harm you, then this wont either. So get over yourself. If you dont support it because of me, then leave the thread.

You give yourself too much credit here, I'm afraid.

Whatusaytome said :
Your problem is with me wanting the multimillion dollar company to pay for a small development instead of forcing everybody to upgrade to play the same game they already play. It's not a problem with the suggestion, obviously.

What's so obvious about that? Everything in that statement is a personal assumption.

Jagex isn't forcing you. Development is a natural course for a healthy online service. Part of that means innovating, coming up with new ideas, trumping your old content, becoming better and better over time. Hand in hand with that comes the technology that allows these improvements, which in turn are improvements made by other companies. Think Intel, nVidia, AMD, Microsoft etc. The requirements becoming higher are not something Jagex does on purpose, it's a consequence of making in-game improvements and old content reworks in order to keep the game afloat. Improvements to the engine are constantly in development too, to attempt to reduce the strain that these innovations put on game performance and to streamline it better for various hardware setups. Namely those on the lower end, because like you said, they want to reach as many people as possible.

And then there's you, who asks these developers to spend their time to take a step back, because you're unwilling to follow them in their footsteps. Frankly, I just can't see how that's a constructive way to approach a problem. That's like putting a band-aid on a mortal wound, momentary blissful ignorance that does nothing to fix the underlying issue.

Isn't it nice to have someone challenge your suggestion, to test if it really holds water? Be the change you would like to see in the world.

16-Aug-2019 12:21:16 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2019 12:53:09 by Xavathos

Whatusaytome
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Whatusaytome said :
You guys just don't even understand the idea.

You are victim blaming saying it's our fault the game was updated to be unplayable.

You say other people are affected by me limited myself only.

I don't see any possibility of people who want to show off being negatively affected.

You still think you paid for the right to make people lagg.

You don't want anybody to be able to play smoother, just so you can show off a dollar.

You think people paid for the right to show it to everybody whether they want to see it or not. And deny anybody the right to say no.

You dont give any logical reason that this is a bad idea. Only that you think it's our fault.

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So like I said, all reasons I've been given for it not to happen are personal and petty. All the reasons I've seen why it SHOULD happen, benefit every player negatively affected by pets. Which as in the reddit thread I posted, in the patch notes I posted, and this thread as a whole, all show majority support for it.

Get over yourself and provide better arguments, if you have any. seems you still understand nothing. Now it's you just looking for reasons to argue.

Agree to disagree and say no support and leave. You aren't even trying to understand why the suggestion has such a massive load of support anymore. You are just trying to blame me for everything now.
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16-Aug-2019 13:45:17

Whatusaytome
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Whatusaytome

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You arent challenging the suggestion. You say Jagex has to update the game to be unplayable and therefore should lose their players for not playing on a setup specifically meant for gaming.

Do you actually believe everybody in the world who plays runescape needs to have a professional gaming rig now? Just because they agree with us, saying pets are large, visually obstructions that cause lag and get in the way of their personal activities?

This is a small suggestion that you personally blew out of proportion just because I defend it.

You have no comments that have any merit in terms of business, or in terms of being user-friendly. If all you can do is say it's up to the rest of the world to spend their money just to continue playing a game, then you don't know a damn thing.
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16-Aug-2019 13:50:10

Xavathos
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Xavathos

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Whatusaytome said :
You arent challenging the suggestion. You say Jagex has to update the game to be unplayable and therefore should lose their players for not playing on a setup specifically meant for gaming.

Let me stop you right there, mate. You're once again putting words in my mouth, completely ignoring what I actually said and pushing your personal agenda on me again.

I never said anything about a professional gaming rig, I said minimum requirements. It's RuneScape, mate, people play it on their phone now. I'm actually leaning more toward the problem not being your system, but your expectations of the game and your bullheaded unwillingness to make compromises, lest they be paid for by others.

I'm also not blaming you for everything, I'm challenging your thoughts on the subject and asking you to provide me with an insight to your point of view, because you happen to be the most active opposition right now. I want to understand, but you keep throwing decoys and running away. Don't take it so personally, because it's not. I'm trying to do what is best for the game from my point of view, like you do from yours.

We're opposing equals and I respect you as such. Would be nice if that was mutual, but I'm not one to force it out of you, I can only ask. If that seems like a familiar situation to you, that's because it is. :) Be the change you would like to see in the world.

16-Aug-2019 14:17:00 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2019 14:42:56 by Xavathos

UrekMazino
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Xavathos said :
So then, why are you trying to get rid of them for other people if you believe that? What gives you that right? You seem to want to have your cake and eat it too. It doesn't work that way, mate.
wtf 54 pages of back and forth and explanations and somehow people are still interpreting the suggestion the wrong way?

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