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EldestGreen

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Joppi...

*WHACK*

Allow me to share something I say whenever someone apologises for having to edit one of my bios for their story.

'I create a bio for you to use, use it in what way you see fit.'

If you're bugging Siigi for not making your bio how you thought, you're being a bad friend to him.

<~>Draken, Gold member of TGP, Silver of TWE and Novelist of TAL<~>
^><^ Before me, even Fate will Burn. The Shadow Phoenix lies deep within ^><^

21-Sep-2006 10:16:53

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*sigh* thanks Draken. It's just that Joppi'* been with me since the very beginning through thick and thin, and it's really bumming that the worst and serious argument we've ever gotten into is this about Kaiser.
Joppi, I'm sorry, but I doubt I can do more with Kaiser (before you start, I realize I CAN, but I don't think I'd like to add a male main character for a little while at least) but enhance his role in the emotional aspect of the story before they reach Varrock, and maybe in it.
I WILL rewrite it when it's done, you don't have to worry about that, so there's no use in pushing me to do it now, neither bits nor the whole thing.
The most I can do, and although it probobly doesn't sound like much, it IS the most I can do: let you decide whether you like the way he went out now (happy, in style, liked and alive) or gets killed in the war (possibly happy, depending on the way, in fighting style, remembered as the saviour of someone/something, and dead).
I leave it to you, and if you choose to change it, I'll make a note of it and fix it when I rewrite the whole shabizzle.

We still friends, I hope? I'd really hate to lose my best and first friend here over BIO usage...

21-Sep-2006 15:46:12

EldestGreen

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Joppi isn't so thick headed as to lose a friend because of one bio.

Are you?

<~>Draken, Gold member of TGP, Silver of TWE and Novelist of TAL<~>
^><^ Before me, even Fate will Burn. The Shadow Phoenix lies deep within ^><^

21-Sep-2006 21:02:35 - Last edited on 21-Sep-2006 21:02:51 by EldestGreen

Joppi J

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You guys still think this is about the bio? God...I don't give a *insert scatological term here* whether you use him or not. I just want you to freakin say that you don't want to use him! I knew that you didn't want to use him ever since you told me you wanted more of Legolas Gimli Gandalf thing going on. But no, I just sat and hoped, hoped that maybe you could change your mind, maybe see it from my point of view. Well, I seem to have been mistaken, empathy isn't something I can seem to count on these days. All I ever wanted you to say was whether you wanted to use him or not! I'd prefer you just say no rather then dragging on not really telling me for fear of hurting my feelings. I'd prefer you just drop him! You obviously don't want him, that's why you keep suggesting little ways to get him out of the story that MIGHT just make me happy. Quite frankly, I don't want him here anymore, it would probably make you happier too.

You obviously don't think I can handle rejection do you? Just say it! Say you don't want to use Kaiser, don't just keep moaning on with all these reasons saying you probably can't, I realize you don't want to use him, I'm not stupid. Every single main character your using is your own guy, why do you even accept bios! Why? Tell me honestly, why do you, you never use them right, you should stay with your own characters. Now I'm po'ed that not even this person who calls me his 'friend' won't even be honest with me! It's more obvious then you think, a hell lot more. That really offends me, much deeper then just saying no to my bio, which I could accept. I thought you might be able to share the truth with me, because in the end, that's all I wanted, whether or not you were going to use Kaiser. I'd rather he just not be in the story, because you seem hell-bent on getting him off anyway. But oh well, I won't be the emotionally offended guy, I'll just be the selfish idiot who got angry because he didn't get his bio in. Thanks, you've done so much...

21-Sep-2006 22:57:54

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God, I must have read that at least a dozen times, thinking on every single part over and over again :@ Ok, got it.

Ok, Joppi, sorry. You're right, I WAS afraid of hurting your feelings. Don't think it's just becouse of you, though, that's just how I am. I don't like putting EVERYTHING right out there (you can still count on truthful criticism, I wouldn't hold back anything that could improve a writer ;) ), simply for the reason that I don't like hurting people's feelings. That may be a flaw, but it's one I can't help, so, sorry.

But you do realize that you contradicted yourself when you said that you just sat there and hoped, even though you knew that I didn't want to use him much. That puts you into the same position. Unless you share my flaw, it would have been a lot easier and tension-less to tell me you'd understand me not using him hinstead of pressuring me to put him in, and then being unhappy about the way he was used, and THEN scolding me for taking him out, despite the fact that you knew I would.

Quote:

I'd prefer you just drop him!

Well, I already have, so I don't quite understand that point.

You say you think I obviously don't think you can handle rejection? Well, it's not just you, it's pretty much anybody. Like I said, I don't like rejecting any more than I enjoy being ****** on by an angry giraffe (I have no idea where I got that from, by the way)

I'll say it. I don't want to use Kaiser ANYMORE, I liked him as a main-extra character, one which I'd discard in time. I WAS going to give him a valiant death much, much earlier, but, well, rejecting and *******...you get the drift. :@

I NEVER thought you were stupid, even I can see that, and that's through a computer screen at a person more than 1000 kilometres away.

And the reason I accept BIOs is that occasionally, VERY occasionally they give me good inspiration. See *en? See Groshek? See Kaiser before I deleyd his death? INSPIRATION. It might not be great, but I like it.
***t.

22-Sep-2006 00:06:01

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But, you know, your right. I shouldn't accept BIOs, it's not worth it. I'll stop it.

Another quote:

Now I'm po'ed that not even this person who calls me his 'friend' won't even be honest with me!

That one really hurt me, as a friend. At least I thought of you as my friend, but appearantly you don't think the same of me...

I don't even know how to respond to the last few bits, unless with an apoligy that I didn't just tell you the truth about using him. I really am sorry, Joppi. You're right, I should have just told you the truth from the start.

I'll end this on a comment on the last bit. "Thanks, you've done so much..." I didn't even understand what that meant (I'm a bit thick-headed in terms of understanding feelings, especially when tone of voice and expressions aren't visible), but I got a horrible sick feeling in my stomach, so I'm guessing it's not something good. Joppi, again, I'm sorry. If it's a different reason that sparked that than what I've already apoligized about, this is it. If it's the same reason, then, eh, I'd rather apoligize too often than to few times.

Now I hope, possibly against hope after that 'friend' bit, that we ARE still friends. Goodbye, I'm going to sleep now Can't type any more, and that feeling in my gut doesn't seem to be going away...

EDIT: I just remember a couple of things I wanted to ask you about! That scatological (I had to reread it to get the spelling right :P ) thing, what does that mean? And, man, you remember that whole legolas, gimli, gandalf thing? That's awesome, can't talk more, crazy sister ushing me to bed.

22-Sep-2006 00:22:57 - Last edited on 22-Sep-2006 00:25:34 by [#80N8R0VWZ]

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Wow, that was weird...

And deep. Real deep. Now if I could put in my 100k cents... *receives angry glares*

Fine, fine, have it your way.

Anyway, add more and all that, and yeah: I have that flaw too. Like when there are spammers and the apoligize, I almost never don't accept them, unless I am in a bad mood.

Anyway, Quote:

"I'm not that good at battle scenes".

Hey, Siig, sign up for Jube's Fighting Academy!! I teach you how to put in MEANINGFUL violence instead of just plain ol' boring 'complex moves and techniques'.

You know, that is a good idea. I think I might do that. "Jube's Fighting Academy".

Siamese fighting fish allowed :D ^_^ ;) :P :|

22-Sep-2006 01:29:23

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