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Dilbert2001
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Perhaps you don't know how much gamers and consumers in the entertainment industry hate Linux, let alone game developers like Jagex don't endorse them either. OSRS is moving to C++ too, as well as it is hard to see them officially endorsing 3rd party modified clients.

15-Jul-2023 16:20:29

Glavikinn
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Dilbert2001 said :
Perhaps you don't know how much gamers and consumers in the entertainment industry hate Linux, let alone game developers like Jagex don't endorse them either. OSRS is moving to C++ too, as well as it is hard to see them officially endorsing 3rd party modified clients.

So I'm trying to understand what you're talking about as it's not very clear. However i think you mean that Gamers typically don't like Linux and game developers typically don't like building for Linux correct?

The part about Gamers not liking Linux is for a few reasons, most of all there's not a whole lot of games that have native Linux support and having to use Wine/Proton/Lutris as the only way to play the games they want to play on Linux tends to rub people the wrong way there's performance impacts, there's problems with audio and visuals, sometimes you have to add a line of arguements like "DXVK_ASYNC=1 gamemoderun %command%", sometimes it flat out doesn't work, that's not Linux's fault that's lack of native support, now there are games that are native to Linux that also don't work due to it simply being ancient in one instance the game was native but only for Ubuntu 9.10 or equivalent but windows doesn't necessarily support Windows Vista perfectly either. Proton really does a great job on older games often playing better than Windows just because of the way it's designed it does a fair job at newer titles too in single player games. However I'm not asking for that ancient design Linux is now using Universal Package Managers that keep everything you need to run the game, from drivers, to old iterations of Linux (if required) all of it packaged neatly together so that no matter what Distro(kind of like flavors of Linux) whether it be KDE or Gnome; Arch, Fedora, Debian or SUSE it'll always work so long as the package is maintained for updates. The Linuxian Sage has spoken.

15-Jul-2023 20:27:06 - Last edited on 15-Jul-2023 21:24:34 by Glavikinn

Glavikinn
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Now about the Developers that hate Linux. 25% of developers USE Linux. Linux is perfect for programming you get full control over everything on your system, there's nothing slowing it down there's there's nothing stopping you from compiling from source or whatever. Where they have problems is that in the case of developing for a platform there wasn't a lot of standardization (something Linux is now kind of looking at in the future) when you have Steam publish your game with Native Linux support it'll work for a while but eventually the dependencies break they get updated, renamed or removed or whatever and then it suddenly thinks it doesn't have everything it needs to run. that's the reason Snap, Flatpak and .AppImage was created, It acts as a way to ensure everything works as intended, now steam isn't at fault for hosting old packages a lot of times people make a game update it a few times early on to get it fully stable then they abandon it for new endeavors that's perfectly fine and reasonable where steam could do better though is to take a similar approach and encourage a more Snap style way of packaging Linux Native games by ensuring all dependencies are always available and universal. it's a tricky situation and considering Linux isn't commercial and it's all "fan made" developers in their off time working on something they love. They have backing from Canonical (server company backing ubuntu) and Steam but compared to Mac and Microsoft both multi-billion dollar companies it's going to have some problems but in 10 years it's went from a hobbiest OS to a major contender and in my opinion looks and feels amazing but that's my opinion. The Linuxian Sage has spoken.

15-Jul-2023 20:47:28

Glavikinn
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I used to use windows daily, I found Ubuntu one day around 2010 when I lost my Windows key and decided to give it a shot it was awful my Wifi drivers didn't worked, The menu's looked dated and old the system was full of bugs everything was confusing nothing worked as intended (with exception to java), if you did something wrong in an install you could break your OS and have to re-install it needless to say I went back to Windows very quickly but over the years I've watched it interested in just what it could accomplish I was a bit skeptical that a group of people could pull off what took a company with nearly infinite money years to perfect. However I hated what Windows was becoming I always gutted windows to it's bare minimum requirements no web search no trackers, nothing that would slow it down or get in my way I just wanted to be able to do what i wanted to do with as little annoyance as possible. So looking at Linux it was through that mindset if Linux wasn't ready I would go back to Windows every once in a while I would trial it if it messed up or I couldn't do what I needed to do I went back to Windows. However I had heard the Linux has actually changed quite a bit and that it was reaching it's objective of being stable, secure bare minimum OS and with news of Windows 11 coming and with the news that Linus was going to do a Linux challenge I took that challenge as well, for 1 year I would only use Linux if it didn't work I would return the same as before to my surprise there was very little I had to do everything seemed to work decently Proton had made quite a bit of progress and now most games were playable and i didn't play online very often, RuneLite had a Linux Executable there were some issues like performance in games was a little bloated (lower frames ect) having to input a line of commands like said above that type of thing but the system itself was stable even with me tinkering with it as a hobby. So i never went back; I will not install Win 11. The Linuxian Sage has spoken.

15-Jul-2023 21:05:21

Glavikinn
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Most people who say they hate Linux do so because like me at that time, they believe that they can't do what they need to do. Whether it's Work, Visual Design, Gaming, or whatever else. It wasn't ready in the past, it's still got issues, it's growing, it's changing, it's getting better. But people often remember their frustraition and anger at it and hold it as the reason it's bad, that's human. but they also expect it to be exactly like Windows or Mac and that's not exactly fair Windows is very different from Mac and Vice Versa so why hold Linux to that there are Windows Exclusives, There are Mac Exclusives and there are even Linux exclusives. Linux doesn't have the PR Mac has nor does it have the Majority that windows has despite being an underdog, despite being shut out of everything and laughed at it has grown into a fierce adversary of the previous Two Choice mind state something in history has always been a negative thing (Look at the USA, Democrat and Republican everyone votes Democrat or Republican but often forgets Independent because it never gets equal representation which forefathers often warned would be the downfall of our society) I'm not saying your choice to use windows or mac is wrong, but I'm asking for my choice to be fairly represented in this one instance. If I have to resort to Proton I'm taking on the negatives on that front that might lead to a poor experience overall when at the moment I'm having a great experience because there is some form of native Linux support. If smaller companies can do it so can Jagex. Now if I'm missing something such as a new Windows only Anti-cheat that's a big deal because by using proton I'm risking my account. If it's some new safeguard that works only on windows, I will respect that and back down. but at the moment i can't see a reason for a Windows and Mac version but no Linux alternatives when we already had Linux support and the landscape is changing. The Linuxian Sage has spoken.

15-Jul-2023 21:23:34 - Last edited on 15-Jul-2023 22:16:29 by Glavikinn

Glavikinn
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look I have statistics up right now.

Web Browser traffic reports that 68.15% of browsers run on Windows, 21.38% runs on Mac, 4.15% runs ChromeOS, 3.23% is Unknown, 3.08% run Linux, and .01% run FreeBSD.

Steam (gaming) HW Survey reports 96.77% Windows, 1.79% Mac, 1.44% Linux

You're obviously trolling, I gave you the courtesy of hearing you out and taking into consideration any critic you might've had. I've Stated the reasons in which your argument is invalid; which was often lacking any form of substance, logic, or deductive reasoning. I'm done.

Go fanboy somewhere else about how great windows is, I will not be responding to your post. This isn't about you, and you have no reason to be here aside from ridiculing people. Begone. The Linuxian Sage has spoken.

16-Jul-2023 08:14:39 - Last edited on 16-Jul-2023 08:23:40 by Glavikinn

BrunoNutto
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Jagex recently abandoned support for ChromeOS. For whatever reason it seems they have no interest in diversifying their support right now, indeed the opposite seems to be true. Surprising perhaps when the Windows 11 forced change is a couple of years away.

They would probably have to hire some new people too if they changed course. I guess when money is the bottom line it's going to take them a lot of convincing. Perhaps if other gaming companies jump on board and Jagex see it's a success they might follow along eventually.

16-Jul-2023 09:50:03 - Last edited on 16-Jul-2023 09:51:50 by BrunoNutto

Dilbert2001
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It was Chrome and other platforms abandoning certain support on Jave based technologies, causing Jagex to reduce their reliance of such legacy technology stacks, and eventually will have to phase them out.

The Jagex launcher and Jagex Accounts will not be supported on the Linux OS.


Jagex is not responsible for the maintenance and safety of content produced and hosted by third parties and any use of third-party sites is at your own risk.


"https://help.jagex.com/hc/en-gb/articles/13413514881937-Downloading-the-Jagex-Launcher-on-Linux#:~:text=The%20Jagex%20launcher%20and%20Jagex%20Accounts%20will,not%20be%20supported%20on%20the%20Linux%20OS.

I believe Jagex made it clear that they consider maintenance and safety of Linux support with limited impact is not they can be held responsible for.

16-Jul-2023 16:39:34

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