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Thoggart
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Im going to use this last one to suggest areas to look into next

-Pickpocketing / Thieving: Please, just make it so the NPC's that are meant to be pickpocketed are just left-click pickpocket-able by default. There is no point to talk to the HAM members when you're not doing the quests, they are mechanically only relevant to thieving. at the very least, in the interest of reducing the risk of carpal tunnel syndrome, just make pickpocketing left-click default on many of the "pickpocket NPC's"

-Bigger change, but look into reworking Ironman in-game shops as a whole. The shop griefing being polled is an issue that by default extends to every in-game shop for Ironman accounts. An entire money making method for Ironmen forces people to pointlessly switch worlds every 10-20 seconds, and similarly trying to buy mass amounts of things (ie. runes) relies on this problem as well. by making it so that Ironmen shops, or even shops as a whole, are "instanced," it eliminates the pointless barriers that make the simple act of Buying and Selling impossible for a very significant portion of the playerbase, and the fact that these shops can always be griefed means that not only is moneymaking effected, but the entire game is effected (what happens when you cant buy a piece of armor since its sold out in every world? why spend two hours buying soda ash across every server OSRS hosts just to get a level in crafting when you could just eliminate that barrier entirely (world hopping is effectively just creating an "infinite stock shop" for ironmen, so its not like this change would create any large imbalance)). Not only that, but by eliminating the need to "world hop," server stability and hosting performance would improve, as the already-strained osrs servers would no longer need to handle shopping/moneymaking world hopping (while it would still need to handle everyone else world hopping for every other reason out there, it cant hurt).

16-Oct-2022 08:54:58

Mini Element
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Regarding question #4: Moving those trees saves little to no time. The trees being there makes the Fairy Ring look better. There's no reason the QOL team should focus on small things like that. The only update I agree with is Lumbridge Elite Diary proposal. This is almost an integrity issue and I don't believe that it even needs to be polled. Newer players are being to forced to complete a larger burden of Quests just to complete that Diary whereas existing players only needed to complete roughly 2/3rds of what is now the current Quest Point requirement for said Diary. Just make it so 290 Quest Points are needed to convince the Wise Old Man of your Prowess. Leave the Quest Cape itself alone and instead just remove it from being a requirement. Players should still have to complete all Quests to wear it, but the Quest cape itself should no longer be tied to any of the Diaries.

16-Oct-2022 09:26:41 - Last edited on 22-Oct-2022 23:41:16 by Mini Element

Draco Burnz
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As You Bleed said :
Do you play a pure? Do you have something against pures?


I have nothing against them except for the fact that they're always trying to make a mode they chose to do themselves easier.

Like always, ppl who play as a pure know what they can/cant access yet still want to access said things/places they cant.

If they want to so badly, then just stop being a pure. Its that simple.
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16-Oct-2022 12:09:52 - Last edited on 16-Oct-2022 12:16:58 by Draco Burnz

Draco Burnz
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Thoggart said :


Pures - Ape Atoll) Again, Similar reasoning as the previous two questions. It opens up content to a significant portion of the playerbase that couldn't experience it beforehand, and it does so in a way without obstructing any other forms of play (that I can tell)


Yet the only reason they "couldnt experience it" is due to their own personal limitations.

You make it sound like it something jagex did to them when its not.

They couldve easily experienced AA whenever they wanted, but just chose not to.

Plus this'll just open a whole can of worms if it passes as if pures can access this, then jagex might as well allow pures to access everything.

The only way to do that though is to remove their requirements which would harm gameplay.

So if you look at the bigger picture, this would obstruct gameplay later down the line.
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16-Oct-2022 12:12:48 - Last edited on 16-Oct-2022 12:16:21 by Draco Burnz

Thoggart
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Draco Burnz said :

Yet the only reason they "couldnt experience it" is due to their own personal limitations.

You make it sound like it something jagex did to them when its not.

They couldve easily experienced AA whenever they wanted, but just chose not to.

Plus this'll just open a whole can of worms if it passes as if pures can access this, then jagex might as well allow pures to access everything.

The only way to do that though is to remove their requirements which would harm gameplay.

So if you look at the bigger picture, this would obstruct gameplay later down the line.


-Whether or not the reason that they couldn't experience it being due to their own limitations, the fact of the matter is that Jagex supports the playstyle and wants it in the game. Yet a large piece of content is not available to the endorsed playstyle due not necessarily to the limitations, but rather to a detail that can be arbitrarily changed

-Jagex did not do anything to them. Rather, the playstyle's existence itself was being limited by something so arbitrary that the QoL team alone can fix it. All Jagex is doing is opening up content for a playstyle they endorse

-Phrasing it like "they could have done it whenever they wanted to" is both wrong and contradictory. Factually, doing the content would go against the endorsed playstyle, so saying they could do it "whenever they want" is just wrong. Not only that, but you've already acknowledged both that they can't experience it and that its due to personal limitations. So could they have "easily experienced AA" but "chose not to" or were they unable to experience due to limitations?

-What can of worms is allowing access opening up. You say that as if more people being able to play more of the game is bad. You say that "allowing pures access to everything" is bad. What specifically is bad about either

-The polled method doesnt harm gameplay or requirements

-What long term gameplay is limited

17-Oct-2022 04:02:23

Dangermouth
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1/. No. Replace it with a total level of at least 1750 and do any 99 cape emote or leave it as it is. If you've played before (like me) you'll have done some quests before. If you're new, it is what it is so any argument to the contrary is simply rubbish. If you develop your character quests and their completion in the main just go hand in hand. If you're worried about quests, try making better ones. (Old were good, new are usually atrocious).

2,4,6,7,8.9.10,11,12,13,14,15, - yes. Happy to let pures be poisoned by spiders and shot by monkeys. Happy to let skillers get pouches in other ways. Other unpolled changes are uninteresting.

3. No. Learn the spell. Go out and get the runes and run back in. Miss a game, so what? If you have too many pearls buy lots of rings/sets of gear or be allowed to buy dyes at stupidly high prices or use them as rare bait for runefish or some carp.

5. If you're good enough to farm/use Torstol why have it sitting around in a half-used fashion? No. Just sell it as surely someone wants to make Zamorak Brew?

17-Oct-2022 19:09:28

Thoggart
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Dangermouth said :
1/. No. Replace it with a total level of at least 1750 and do any 99 cape emote or leave it as it is...


1- Substituting the set level requirement for the set quest point requirement is a pointless change to the proposed QoL update and would contradict the idea of it still being The Quest Cape. Your comment about being "experienced vs new" is pointless since the polled change would serve to help both parties (and, not to mention, the elitism displayed seems like the argument is biased against new players. And not only that, the QoL team and this update is not about "making future quests better" and they have no control over "future quests." They are not "worried about quests," they are worried about long term QoL, and while I disagree with the polled change as well, it isnt because of a fundamental cause like that

3- What is the point of not allowing another method to repair pouches in the game? I disagree with the way the polled change would be implemented, but that is because it can be implemented better, not because it shouldn't be implemented at all. Rather, what I have suggested is making it a high-upfront low-recurring cost alternative to a single function of NPC Contact. That way its something to work for in game, doesn't outclass the Lunar Spell for repairing pouches, and remains a QoL change more than a feature change. (I should also point out, the sentiment of "Learn the Spell" is really taking a few liberties knowing that "Learning the Spell" is more involved than just training magic)

5- Similar to 3, what is the point of not allowing another method to doing something in the game? The polled change fixes something, but you are against it for seemingly no concrete reason. Saying "If you're good enough to do X" doesn't mean everybody is, or wants to, doing / do X. Suggesting that the solution to the problem is to "Just sell it" is disingenuous to why its a problem at all

17-Oct-2022 21:30:50

As You Bleed

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Draco Burnz said :
As You Bleed said :
Do you play a pure? Do you have something against pures?


I have nothing against them except for the fact that they're always trying to make a mode they chose to do themselves easier.

Like always, ppl who play as a pure know what they can/cant access yet still want to access said things/places they cant.

If they want to so badly, then just stop being a pure. Its that simple.


You don't know what you're talking about then. Pures can literally access every piece of content besides some achievement diaries and quests. Pures can do the inferno, do every Raid, solo every GWD boss. So what is your point really? You've never had a pure so you have no right to speak on the subject.

18-Oct-2022 01:38:00

Lord Killama
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Why don't we put a poll together to just finally add a new skill?? Put dungeoneering back, summoning, anything. Duo slayer would be awesome again like the old times. A new skill would bring so much more joy into this game more.

18-Oct-2022 15:19:17

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