forums.rs

Forums

DevBlog: Botting Update Thread is locked

Quick find code: 380-381-53-65435553

of 11
Transcendent

Transcendent

Posts: 35,372 Sapphire Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
I always wondered why Jagex doesn't make random events where each week the obstacles change a little so they could catch more bots who would not be programmed for the new obstacles, and not able to keep up with the obstacles changing every week.

I imagine it like a player owned house, with build spots for the obstacles, and Jagex could change what obstacles are in the spots every week.

The changing Obstacles could include things like:
Low wall to hop over.
Rope swing.
Door.
Boat.
Choose the right shape key.
Kill the pheasant or other NPC.
Put on the bronze/mith/steel armour, etc.
Take the middle path, left path, right path, etc.

Basically, easy changes to the random events for Jmods, but hard to predict and keep up with for the bots. Hi.

14-Jul-2013 21:29:08

Rav3nsong

Rav3nsong

Posts: 626 Steel Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Absolutely! Great ideas!

A friend of mine also suggested turning "off" trees, for example, randomly.. so that anyone cutting them who is a bot will get stuck, and those who are not bots will simply move to another area where the trees are not "stuck". The possibilities are endless, but, I agree - whatever it is has to be so random that the bots just can't keep up with it!

Rav3n :-)

14-Jul-2013 21:46:52

Warrior Lady
Sep Member 2021

Warrior Lady

Posts: 1,905 Mithril Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
Those are very good ideas to baffle bots, and I would not mind one bit having randoms or trees or things changing to stop them. Yes, the rares are being heavily botted. I saw and reported a lot of them. They collect a lot of rares, then sell them for gp, to fund their gold selling sites, and rwt operations. They do not even care about RS. I only wanted to have a party hat, or halloween mask, to wear myself for cosmetic uses, and to make outfits with. I had no intent to sell for profit, but I am left out, because of these RWTers. :( . This situation is totally UNFAIR to legitimate players who only want to enjoy the game. Please do something about this.

15-Jul-2013 00:13:23 - Last edited on 15-Jul-2013 00:18:59 by Warrior Lady

mill all day
Jan Member 2022

mill all day

Posts: 787 Gold Posts by user Forum Profile RuneMetrics Profile
You mentioned that the system banned a number of accounts that weren't in fact bots. This offense will still be on their account unfairly

What do you intend to do about this? Will offenses that were unfairly given going to be removed from the persons account?

15-Jul-2013 01:29:49

Mod Reach

Mod Reach

Jagex Moderator Forum Profile Posts by user
Original message details are unavailable.
Mod Reach

You were very helpful to me and my friend in the past months. What I would like to address is a remaining concern of mine.

How does the programme tell the difference between someone who is botting and, for instance, someone who is standing in a bank alching, fletching etc., for a long time, quite legititmately?

I'd really like to know that it is safe now to raise these repetitive skills without being anxious about being accused of botting.

Many thanks

Rav3n :-)

When you think about it, take an example of yourself sitting at the bank, silently fletching away. Not reply to any player, power levelling away. No matter how it is you chose to train, a bot will always differ.

We can easily tell the difference between legitimate play (including those who chose to be XP efficient) and a program playing for another player. As I meantioned, mistakes were made but in the process of refining the system, we had to reach a point where we'd sweep past players such sa those described and only locate bot behaviour.

Now, we're confident that is exactly what we are doing. -----
@JagexReach

15-Jul-2013 08:26:35

Mod Reach

Mod Reach

Jagex Moderator Forum Profile Posts by user
Original message details are unavailable.
Fantastic job and fantastic read as always, Reach. (If you only posted a little more you'd be tied with Ash as my favourite!)

What I'd like to know -- I totally understand if you can't answer this -- is exactly how does BotWatch work? Namely the "fine tunes" term that was thrown about in the previous status update. How would it do that?

I had an idea on how it could do it, it's not very good, just a passing thought, but if you could correct it that would be great! My idea is that BotWatch searches for patterns within bot behaviour, if the prerequisites match then BotWatch would proceed with the banhammer. That's all well and good but what if a new type of bot emerged, would BotWatch 'adapt' and recognise the new system? Would reporting a suspected bot alert the system to those new patterns? Was the "fine tune" lark a simple bit of PR jargon? Or is it something completely different?

I'm not looking for an answer which would reveal Jagex's secrets, as lifting the curtain on that one helps the cheaters avoid their punishment more than it does help the non-cheaters. More 'if I reported someone, what information does Jagex extract and use from the report?'

Thanks!

That's something I can't go into detail about, sorry. The system is both self sufficient and manually operated. Nothing it does isn't closely monitored so even when a bot changes it's script/behaviour, we're on standby to ensure the system is inkeeping with that change.

'adapt' isn't PR Jargon. The BotWatch system is a really intelligent and powerful system. Reporting helps both it and us to keep ontop of any changes that might be made to that particular bot.

I'll stress this point out to the others who've raised the same concerns. Reporting a but doesn't immediately result in action being taken against it. We first need to stream the information from the report. However, is that account was indeed guilty, then the appropraite action would be taken to that account. -----
@JagexReach

15-Jul-2013 08:32:50

Quick find code: 380-381-53-65435553 Back to Top