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Heuristik
Aug Member 2015

Heuristik

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Hey Miu,

Just a quick recap of your recap:

1) OSRS is NOT your property and you DO NOT decide everything upon it
2) Jagex is NOT your company NOR your property
3) Even you're involved in polls that does not mean 1) nor 2)
4) Bugs may happen anyway with or without developments being polled: the fact you did or did not poll something that caused a side-effect does not mean it is treated or perceived differently by Jagex. I said "by Jagex" because of 1) and 2)
5) If you do not understand what I am writing, please take a deep breath and read 1) and 2) again, slowly

03-Nov-2017 09:15:23 - Last edited on 03-Nov-2017 09:16:24 by Heuristik

BJJ MMA BOX
Sep Member 2019

BJJ MMA BOX

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Hello, Mouse keys are allowed? I know just that AHK are banned but people are still using it and it seems to be unfair to me. I'm participating on KotS and I'm really focused and doing the job 110% but there are people who are doing the same method 50% faster. Could you please check it out? It's really unfair if people are using 3rd party software for this, seriously.

Thanks. B I G L E Z

03-Nov-2017 14:49:53

Miu

Miu

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Heuristik said :
1) OSRS is NOT your property and you DO NOT decide everything upon it
2) Jagex is NOT your company NOR your property
3) Even you're involved in polls that does not mean 1) nor 2)
4) Bugs may happen anyway with or without developments being polled: the fact you did or did not poll something that caused a side-effect does not mean it is treated or perceived differently by Jagex. I said "by Jagex" because of 1) and 2) None of what you said refutes the fact that unpolled content was put in a priority over the main game. It was released on a wednesday, (not the usual day, mind you) and rushed out the door for a competition no one voted for. Perhaps if they waited one more day as per usual, this bug would have been found.

Secondly, the impact of the bug was not rolled back. Why? Probably because they didn't want to impact the 7 minutes of players that started the new competition and didn't want to mess with them.

If alternative game modes taking precedence over the health and well being is to your liking, I can't change your mind. I just expected better from Jagex and want them to take more responsibility for actions like this in the future, so this doesn't happen again.

Is that unreasonable, or am I supposed to hand wave players getting millions of xp in a few seconds as just a lil unavoidable bug?
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03-Nov-2017 18:31:53 - Last edited on 03-Nov-2017 18:32:51 by Miu

Elysi
Aug Member 2022

Elysi

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Whos Fluff said :
I know this doesnt belong here but i cant find a proper place for it.. I need to contact mod luke as soon as possible

You could try contacting him through twitter.

His twitter is @JagexHelpLuke

Good luck.

04-Nov-2017 12:14:04

Heuristik
Aug Member 2015

Heuristik

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Miu said :

None of what you said refutes the fact that unpolled content was put in a priority over the main game.
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Is that unreasonable, or am I supposed to hand wave players getting millions of xp in a few seconds as just a lil unavoidable bug?

I should have included:

6) Points 1) and 2) imply you do NOT decide upon prorities, Jagex do.

7) Probably you are NOT a developer (for sure you are NOT a Jagex developer) so you don't know whether a bug can be "easily" fixed with or without a full, safe roll-back.

4) (Updated) Sh*t (bugs) happen all the time.

Said that, your stubbornness and biased perception - unfortunately very common amongst OSRS community - are clearly undermining your ability to understand.

And obviously, you'll be replying again with the aim of having "the last word", like a broken disk, with your nonsense.

06-Nov-2017 13:35:12

Miu

Miu

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Heuristik said :
nonsense. Once again you fail to address the nature of the glitch, the ease of which it could have been avoided, and instead opted to try to make the argument about me, as opposed to the content. Once again, you've failed to refute anything I've posted and all you can come up with is "shit happens". Great argument.

And why is that? Why no argument? Because it's indefensible, and you know it.

I'm not saying bugs don't happen. But this one shouldn't have. It shouldn't have been developed without asking the community first. (seriously, they'll vote yes to anything so it's not like this is such a huge hurdle.) It should have been tested.

There is no excuse for pushing 10 times XP onto the live game and you're well aware of it. I have only posted once, and each subsequent post has been in response to sycophants that never addressed any of my issues (the closest thing to addressing my point was some semantics about whether King of the Skill was a game-mode or not), they only attacked me.

Rather than stoop to your level of non-argument, I've just continued to make my case :) Feel free to defend implementing 10x xp into OSRS if you wish, just please try not to make your post about me while doing so, it's not helping your argument any. I know you're new to the forums, so I'll just let you know that they're a place for discussion of opinions, not a place to shut them down.
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07-Nov-2017 01:45:10

Durzani
Apr Member 2018

Durzani

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I don't think anyone is defending the implementation of 10x XP into the main game. Maybe, perhaps, defending to implement a competition for paying members to participate in without pole, but not for 10x XP in the main game.

The competition not being polled is not the issue that players should be concerned about. The intent of it was to be a competition taking place outside of the main game, and it had a glitch that was not anticipated. By the nature of a bug or glitch, those sort of things do happen from time to time, and they can slip through the cracks to wreak havoc. See the 'Durial321' dilemma back in '06 with that 99 Construction rush from CursedYou, or take a look at other games with active development that run into game-breaking bugs from time to time.

It is never intended for bugs of this nature to occur. Are the bugs squashed in fair time? Usually. Are rollbacks performed? That depends on how the system works and how widespread/impactful the damage really is. I would have appreciated a proper rollback on top of the bug squash, but I am not entirely certain as to whether or not that has actually occurred (and I'm not sure if there's a quote stating whether or not there was one done, or one thought of but rejected).

Polling the competition would not have made much of a difference in either direction. There still would have been a chance for the glitch not making it to primary servers, and there would have been a chance for it occurring, regardless of a poll.

Now, should there have been more time put into testing this? Perhaps. An additional day might've caught the bug, or given them time to find out or remember that there are different modules that modify obtained-XP. This is the only thing I can really agree on; granting a little more time to test things a little more thoroughly, even though there still exists a chance for game-breaking glitches and bugs.

I can agree to furthered testing, but not polling of external competitions.

07-Nov-2017 02:29:14

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