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Mighty Lucky
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Mighty Lucky

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Starting from the top working down:

DK's - As a currently - near maxed player - Why would I risk losing my gear in an instanced room -- or sacrifice ring drops when I can crash anyone other then another near maxed / maxed player on task.

Instances are a good addition / option for ironmen. Attaching a small fee such as with the KBD would help with "special accounts." In order to help alleviate all traffic DKS would need a set up similar to Cerberus in order to compensate all of the players wanting to do DKS. The problem with letting EVERYONE do DK's is that they are more or less safe-spottable. When low level players can single out a king and only kill that one at their leisure in any world (non instanced) the rings will get heavily farmed along with bones. That being said I think only instances at normal drop rates should be added. It is a high priority boss in the game with a few BiS drops. Not everyone should be able to farm it 24/7. It was never designed to be a Zulrah type encounter. It should be a good goal for other players to try and experience through instances if they so choose, but the rest of the community / economy should not be punished for content not being accessible to ALL levels of players. It's a boss encounter. Leave it that way.

The Elysian

By design the Elysian spirit shield was always supposed to block a percentage of incoming damage. I believe that is how the community understood it. I think that this should be fixed / held true. The shield was always in my mind supposed to be "the best defensive" option. I think buffing or polling the buff should happen. I really don't think this buff will affect many of the monsters listed as their are better options. However, I do think it will make the "the best defensive option" that players imagine it to be. A few monsters that could be added to the list would be the Zammy GWD's special reducing the incoming damage, not the prayer drain and not just stone guardians in raids, but all raid damage.

03-Feb-2017 03:17:20

Mighty Lucky
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The Elysian cont:

It seems a fair bit of raid damage hits through prayer. It would make the Elysian worth taking in what is "the highest of content" at this point. It seems a bit silly that the Elysian is considered "useless" in raids as it has little to no effect.

Other Suggestions:

Peek options are good -- It helps keep the community from being toxic towards one another. Hitpoints display would encourage people to leech in some situations or "crash" if a spawn is fresh. I don't think hitpoints display is a positive change.

I personally have no received a dark relic to gauge how the experience drop feels after a raid. I think making the experience drop select-able is very appealing to making it a "worth-while" reward. However, with raids generally being higher tier content PVM content I don't think the focus for raids should be rewarding experience rather than loot.

Tridents - Yes please change this. It seems silly to have your hands free.

Spectral - This seems like a good way to give the spectral it's niche effect, similar to the Elysian. I think this is a great change and a great way to help boost the shields usefulness and help make it a more sought after drop. It would be great to see the arcane spirit shield have a % based special effect as well.

Corp lair smaller for less loading / lag = AMAZING. Please change this.

KBD Timer Shorter = Less crowding as well as making the boss content more enjoyable. This would be a solid change.

Mithril dragons: Currently I feel as they are not the greatest content with their drop tables versus kill speed versus effort put forth to kill them. That being said I think noting the bars on their kill would significantly increase their impact on the game. However, I think that it should be a fair bit more difficult than just paying 200 slayer points. The dragons should be a rewarding high end slayer task or rewarding higher end monster / dragon to kill. That being said attaching a diary req on them seems fair.

03-Feb-2017 03:17:47 - Last edited on 03-Feb-2017 03:29:54 by Mighty Lucky

Mighty Lucky
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Finally - The Divine

I have mixed feelings about the Divine. The item itself with that effect is incredibly strong. It's also essentially a better version of the Elysian in most player's hands. From a PVM standpoint this can be great. It allows you to tank much easier and way harder than before. This means longer trips and it can help to trivialize a lot of content. The problem is this type of item is generally barricaded by a huge price tag. I think this would just divide the PVM community more from "Top Tier" players and "Casual Scapers." This addition to the PVM community will encourage higher levels to be farming and doing PVM activities, while discouraging low leveled / under geared players from higher PVM content. I don't think this would be a very healthy change for the longevity of the game.

From a PVP standpoint - The divine spirit shield is strong. Too strong. Being able to block 30% of all incoming damage is just too good to pass up. If you run into someone with one of these shields and you don't have one as well, you have to escape, be incredibly lucky to kill them, or die. The divine is a good way to balance out the "huge damage drop" meta we are currently in, but I don't think it's the answer to re-balancing PVP activities.

I feel that the Divine as a whole is MORE balanced than in RS3 by the lack of familiars and prayer renewal pots. However, I would not vote yes to it. I think that it still is overpowered / doesn't belong in OSRS.

That being said: If the Divine were to pass or Jagex has it's heart set on adding it - I think that the Divine should be an addition to the already very strong Elysian spirit shield, possibly along with the combination of the arcane and spectrals as well. This way it acts as an item sink for ALL spirit shields, not just one type to get a VERY VERY strong item. AND the Divine sigil or means to making the divine should NOT be added to the Corporal Beast's drop table. I think that it should be a new monster or new content.

03-Feb-2017 03:30:15 - Last edited on 03-Feb-2017 03:40:22 by Mighty Lucky

Mighty Lucky
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The Divine Cont:

If the Divine is added directly to the Corp's already pre-established drop table I believe it would upset a fair bit of players due to the effects it would have on their currently owned spirit shield's market values. The Corp already has 3 very sought after drops. I think the divine could be incorporated easily into new content. This is also a good way to keep older content like Corp alive by having it's drops as "ingredients" and having the Divine Sigil being a "catalyst" for the new item.

Final thoughts:

Sorry that this reply was 4 posts long. I have been playing for 13.5 years now with a fair bit of experience in the game and a great care of how it develops I wanted to put together complete thoughts on each of the purposed changes at hand. I hope this helps with future development and thank you for taking the time to read my thoughts / opinions on the matter.

EDIT:

There are some other great suggestions in the topic as well regarding other change to DK's with noted bones into "mini frost dragons" // metallic dragon changes to improve their appeal.

03-Feb-2017 03:40:37 - Last edited on 03-Feb-2017 03:48:30 by Mighty Lucky

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divine? seriously? why would anybody consider this. THIS IS OLD SCHOOL not EOC. whats next summoning? lets think about it I see this game going back where was at its worst by these updates like this. most of the updates that are new and stuff that's awesome I love those updates like zulrah that's a good one raids etc, but not these kinds of updates. imo I don't think divine or dks should be changed so its easier.this game was great the way it was and ive been off and on since 05 but it is what it is.

03-Feb-2017 05:17:45

iateyourpie
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iateyourpie

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New DKS room for on task with elite diary req. NOT INSTANCED

Elysian buff sounds good

crack in the floor idea is nice QOL

maybe lock the noted mith bar behind the slayer points and one of the hard diaries (kandarin or fremmy)

spectral buff sounds good

Please make the divine quite a bit rarer than the ely if it were to come into game

03-Feb-2017 05:44:06

Sanctify Me
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ramamir 6 said :
can we see a buff on third age to match it with barrows equipment?
can we get revenants and a pvp minigame with unlimited players polled?
Would love more fun PvP minigames like Castle Wars is.

Something similiar to Soul Wars would be amazing ;)

03-Feb-2017 12:02:20

Nano XNO
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As the majority of people on this thread have already stated, the Elysian SS should not require this 'buff' to be polled. The Elysian SS should have a chance of reducing damage regardless of who's causing it, so in that respect, it should be fixed to accommodate this.
In other terms of a 'buff', I don't think one is necessary.

In regard to the Divine SS, it is simply too powerful for OSRS. Yes, new weapons such as the Dragon claws have recently been introduced to the game, but that does not automatically qualify us for a Divine update. The Elysian perfectly serves as the top tier shield which is strong but balanced, and the new two-handed Bulwark shield offers the increased permanent damage reduction that rivals the Divine with the handicap of being two-handed, which makes it balanced for OSRS.

In my belief, I can see a Divine SS being a stepping stone update to RS3 turmoils, torva, and dragyore, which isn't OSRS and is not what the community wants or needs.

03-Feb-2017 13:14:28

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