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Egoism

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Second,
EDIT: doesn't sound like it would work as bots can program themselves to leave that world like a normal player?

They can do that, but then they'll just be sent back again. If a bot wants to spend all it's time hopping worlds...

Then what will stop that same exact annoyance from happening to efficient players when they hop back to normal worlds? it seems you haven't thought this through and that it will negatively impact legitimate players.

25-Feb-2014 13:41:43

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Second,
EDIT: doesn't sound like it would work as bots can program themselves to leave that world like a normal player?

They can do that, but then they'll just be sent back again. If a bot wants to spend all it's time hopping worlds...

surely that won't be as effective now hopping is instant...

It depends how long it takes us to identify the possible bots, but in many cases it should be almost instantaneous. We'll be keeping an eye on it though.

25-Feb-2014 13:43:23

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I see this as another back and forth that has been going on for well over 11 years now. What will you do when bots detect they are being moved to this different world and just log back in to the previous world as a regular player would? Or how about those so engrossed in training not noticing till much later and then switching maybe hours later?

We already know bots can get around randoms and even moving fishing spots faster then all regular players. Don't get me wrong i despise bots with the passion of a thousand burning suns. But i honestly just do not see how this will change how the bots are in game now. And i see some honest players easily being entrapped in this. And now botters know what is going to happen and they can program their botting programs to easily switch back to a previous world.

And it still won't help those players frustrated by not being able to gather these resources themselves. The bots cut down trees at unbelievably fast paces and ores are so slow to respawn that bots have it timed perfectly to prevent players from getting any ores.

Players hate bots not only because they gather resources in an unfair way. But also because it prevents players from being able to get these resources themselves. I'm sorry to be a downer but thought it best to raise these concerns now rather then later.

25-Feb-2014 13:43:45

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Second,
EDIT: doesn't sound like it would work as bots can program themselves to leave that world like a normal player?

They can do that, but then they'll just be sent back again. If a bot wants to spend all it's time hopping worlds...
Wouldn't an honest player have the same issue? It's only right 0_o

They shouldn't do, but that is something we will be monitoring very closely once it goes live. We'll continue to refine the heuristics we use to make it as accurate as possible.

25-Feb-2014 13:45:54

S Klasse AMG

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It's nice to hear this update.

I'm also more interested in some of these arguments on this thread as well.

Keep it up. I would give a cookie for this thread

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I see this as another back and forth that has been going on for well over 11 years now. What will you do when bots detect they are being moved to this different world and just log back in to the previous world as a regular player would? Or how about those so engrossed in training not noticing till much later and then switching maybe hours later?

We already know bots can get around randoms and even moving fishing spots faster then all regular players. Don't get me wrong i despise bots with the passion of a thousand burning suns. But i honestly just do not see how this will change how the bots are in game now. And i see some honest players easily being entrapped in this. And now botters know what is going to happen and they can program their botting programs to easily switch back to a previous world.

And it still won't help those players frustrated by not being able to gather these resources themselves. The bots cut down trees at unbelievably fast paces and ores are so slow to respawn that bots have it timed perfectly to prevent players from getting any ores.

Players hate bots not only because they gather resources in an unfair way. But also because it prevents players from being able to get these resources themselves. I'm sorry to be a downer but thought it best to raise these concerns now rather then later.

His argument seems to make sense to me. Could someone talk about it?

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25-Feb-2014 13:46:06 - Last edited on 25-Feb-2014 13:52:39 by S Klasse AMG

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The one thing I don't quite get, I'm teleported to Scaperune, I'm not a bot. So now I have access to an exclusive resource area that not many people are at? Do I get sent back to the main game?

You'll be competing with bots, so I doubt it will be an exclusive resource.

25-Feb-2014 13:48:22 - Last edited on 25-Feb-2014 13:50:36 by Mod Mat K

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The one thing I don't quite get, I'm teleported to Scaperune, I'm not a bot. So now I have access to an exclusive resource area that not many people are at? Do I get sent back to the main game?

You'll be competing with other bots, so I doubt it will be an exclusive resource.
How many worlds will there be? And how efficient will this be working on resource bots

25-Feb-2014 13:50:22

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The one thing I don't quite get, I'm teleported to Scaperune, I'm not a bot. So now I have access to an exclusive resource area that not many people are at? Do I get sent back to the main game?

You'll be competing with other bots, so I doubt it will be an exclusive resource.

So the ultimate goal is to have all of the bots trapped in this place, while the real players have the real world. What will be the tell-tale signs that you are still in the dream world? Can we use a spinning top to figure that out?

25-Feb-2014 13:50:54

Egoism

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You hop players to these worlds because you believe them to be botting correct?

However, you state if they hop back to a normal world and notice they were switched, it will then keep them in a perpetual state of hopping between worlds.

You go on to say, this shouldn't happen to efficient players. If that efficient player was flagged as a possible botter, isn't the way he would prove he is human to hop back?

However, you state those flagged as potential botters will just keep being hopped back to that world...

I'm sorry but this update is horrible, and makes no sense. If this is how you've chosen to tackle bots and what the big fuss was about and what has taken so long to implement thdn i'm disappointed. This will only effect legitimate players negatively.

25-Feb-2014 13:51:25 - Last edited on 25-Feb-2014 13:52:44 by Egoism

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