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23-Jan-2015 23:19:22

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23-Jan-2015 23:57:16

Mithril Jedi

Mithril Jedi

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I just really need to get this off my chest.

One of the major issues people had with rs3 (eoc) was the merchanting driven economy resulting in price manipulation and a volatile market. If you didnt care Following the prices day by day there was no serious way of earning some real money. Merchanters had used the automated GE to own the market and to a large extend own the game.

One of the promises that was made in the start-up phase of oldschool was that the game was going to work around oldschool methods. Including player to player trading. Jagex literaly promised us that oldschool would not see updates like the GE that are in direct conflict with the core vision of the oldschool game.

I know this poll is over and all ranting about it is useless and we'll have to accept again an update that will likely ruin the entire game again within a couple of years. But I really need to get it off my chest that I'am massively disappointed with Jagex.

I feel a big line has been crossed with putting this thing up to vote. You dont make an inital promise with the release of the game and than 2 years down the line completley ignore that promise. What Jagex did is nothing less than lying to its most faithfull gamers. Blatant disrespect to people who have been playing and paying this game for years. It is discusting !

I know for a fact that many of the people that voted for the GE, didnt vote in the inital poll to get an oldschool version of the game. Many only joined later when the game was turning into a success. Many of these people would happily have an easy fix instead of hard work to accomplisch something. What these people want is easyscape.

I'am discusted that jagex sold out the gamers that made oldschool happen in the first place so easily for some loud mouth shouting of a bunch of easyscapers.

If you want easyscape go play rs3 but leave oldschool oldschool and GE is not oldschool no matter how many tweaks you make to it

24-Jan-2015 01:36:12 - Last edited on 24-Jan-2015 01:39:35 by Mithril Jedi

Mithril Jedi

Mithril Jedi

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SimplySick said :
Honestly everyone has their own opinion and you 24% need to stop bitching. It was 76 - 24. You guys are in the huge minority. I play osrs for the combat not to trade bots spamming in world 1. I've been playing since 05 as well. You 24% can quit if it upsets you that much. We won't mind more players will join than will leave. Not to mention you guys will be back in 2 weeks or less.

You miss the point completley.

Many of those 24% would not have started playing oldschool runescape in the first place had they known the GE would get introduced in the end. In fact oldschool runescape would probably not exist had people known the GE would get introduced.

No GE was an explicit promise of jagex in the start-up of oldschool. Many people voted yes to the idea because they wanted to play the game the way they did in the old days and a major part of that was no GE and the promise was made that if you would put the effort into starting all over again making an oldschool account, it would not be invain as jagex would very carefully monitor the inital wishes and values that were at the core of oldschool runescape.

Couple of years later the game got bigger, people started playing because it was a success compared to rs3. Many people that abadonned the game got back, many rs3ers turned to oldschool etc. People playing the game not for the reasons that initally started the oldschool project but because it was becoming a new runescape with new PVP and wildy things, new PVM things, New items , new ways of training skills. Nothing to do with oldschool but more a pre-eoc runescape in fact not even that but a new runescape alltogether.

And it is totally fine these play the game and have a different opnion on things than the crowd that voted initally for oldschool but it is wrong to let those people overrule the inital promises made to those players.

What jagex did is lie to 24% of its players !

24-Jan-2015 01:56:09 - Last edited on 24-Jan-2015 01:56:23 by Mithril Jedi

SimplySick

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@Mithril Jedi - If you do research you'd easily be able to find that multiple jagex mods stated it wouldn't be brought in unless the player base wanted it. 76% of the player base, which is an overwhelming majority, wanted it. you 24% only started playing oldschool for nostalgic reasons. 76% of us, including myself just wanted a version of runescape without the ****** EOC that was being forced upon us.

You can say that GE is being forced upon you again, but I completely disagree, don't use it. 76% of the people also voted for it so don't complain. When you guys started playing you knew that if content got 75% of the player base backing it then it would be pushed into the game. I've accepted that fact, even for updates I ******* hate, I just let it happen because a clear majority wants said update. No point in whining like little 5 year olds.

24-Jan-2015 06:14:06

Wee Lamm
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I think the questions asked for the tweaks to the G.E. cannot be handled fairly, using the 75% pass requirement, unless at least 75% vote in a particular opinion.

Presume the question:
Should the G.E. be accessible through the existing Trading Post furniture?
Estimated Result 40% do not want furniture, 60% do, the furniture would not be used.

Asking the question the other way:
Should the G.E. be only accessible in the g.e. area and discontinue use of the trading post furniture?
Estimated Result 40% do not want furniture, 60% do, the furniture would continue to be used.

Personally, I think we should go back to the original design plans of the G.E., when it was first proposed by a player. It was envisioned much like an open market bazaar where players could post their items for sale. Rather than relying on everyone visiting the trade forums to look for items, the offers could be seen across all worlds from within the game.

One important concept in the original idea was to eliminate the need to stand around spamming the item a player was trying to by or sell, they could simply post their offer then return to their normal gaming routine.

The biggest problem with the G.E. when it was first introduced into Rs3, was that it simply moved all of the spammers from Falador park and into the region north of Varrock Bank. It missed completely on 1 of the 2 reasons the G.E. was proposed, to eliminate spam and the lag that accompanies it.

The G.E. should represent a holding place for the items we are trading, and not as a physical place to stand around trying to hog the chat box. The biggest benefit of the G.E. is it advertises the items being traded and "should" eliminate the need to avoid the game content in order to bark out our offers.

Wee-Lamm

24-Jan-2015 06:36:50

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24-Jan-2015 10:04:21

Metal Little
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Metal Little

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The 24% feel that they've been cheated out of a game they know and love since Jagex stated that OSR was pre-GE and would remain GE-less. The poll was carelessly placed ahead of having the TP with all fallbacks, which would've been superior to the GE and on par with the old-style gameplay, and the shepherds demanded all their sheep to vote yes. As far as I know, the GE prods and the sell-outs, including those who claim that they've played prior to the GE, got together and bombarded the rigged GE poll with yes votes to ensure that it passes and sabotaged the real old-schoolers, which ended up being the 24%. Coincidentally, I don't see nearly as many votes in the survey and subsequent tweaks poll since the sheep adamantly care so much about the GE, which furthered my suspicion of foul play involving the whole GE campaign.
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24-Jan-2015 10:38:05

Metal Little
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Metal Little

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Ignorance begets stupidity! You're ignorant of the game's history, and despite that the GE was introduced in late 2007, it was never a part of Old School. Also, you're ignorant to the fact that OSR has sentimental value to the real old-schoolers, so you come to the game ignorant and vote to demolish the game the real old-schoolers worked so hard to get. You're ignorant that there was a major reason we've voted for OSR, and there's a reason behind asking for the pre-GE version of the game back. We didn't intend to rebuild RS3 or take this game in that direction. If we did, then all of us would still be in RS3.
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24-Jan-2015 11:04:22

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