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momnyomen

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If the GE passes, I'm quitting Runescape forever.

Yes, the trading system needs major improvements, but the GE is a cop out. I for one love interacting with other players, and about 25% of the community agrees with me. That might not be the majority, but it's enough to try and find another solution.

There are ways to get the "instant trade" that we are ALL looking for; ways that won't ruin a large aspect of the game that 1/4 of the playerbase enjoys.

EDIT: Let me change my first statement. If Jagex finds a way to make it so trading players manually is still viable, I'll keep playing the game. Something that will make the GE less than ideal for those who are looking for the best value, and are willing to spend the time necessary to find the deal.

15-Jan-2015 01:37:14 - Last edited on 15-Jan-2015 01:44:02 by momnyomen

Alliance

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momnyomen said :
If the GE passes, I'm quitting Runescape forever.

Yes, the trading system needs major improvements, but the GE is a cop out. I for one love interacting with other players, and about 25% of the community agrees with me. That might not be the majority, but it's enough to try and find another solution.

There are ways to get the "instant trade" that we are ALL looking for; ways that won't ruin a large aspect of the game that 1/4 of the playerbase enjoys.

EDIT: Let me change my first statement. If Jagex finds a way to make it so trading players manually is still viable, I'll keep playing the game. Something that will make the GE less than ideal for those who are looking for the best value, and are willing to spend the time necessary to find the deal.

Awesome looks like your quitting cause GE is gonna pass cya later

15-Jan-2015 01:45:43

momnyomen

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Alliance said :
Awesome looks like your quitting cause GE is gonna pass cya later

Please think about what I wrote and consider it. All it would take is a bit of patience to help save the game for a large group of people, and still get what everyone wants. You want the GE so you can get items fast and easily, and there are other ways of doing that. Better ways of doing that.

Old School had a chance to do something truly unique, and it looks like we blew it. But hey, at least it's not as inconsiderate of an update is removing free trade and the wilderness.

15-Jan-2015 01:58:13 - Last edited on 15-Jan-2015 02:00:13 by momnyomen

EllingerMain

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Don't forget the Dev Blog mentions if GE passes we're getting at least one more poll after this for GE tweaks and changes. We don't know what kinds of tweaks and changes they have in mind but we have to be patient.

In conclusion, people need to wait for the other polls and see what will happen instead of trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Relax.

15-Jan-2015 02:05:44

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2006

Metal Little

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P A P S said :
Metal Little said :
Thus, the TP grants players a great degree of control over prices rather than a flawed system that tells you to buy or sell your items at a set price just because the masses are doing it. Again, it's like herding sheep. The blind leads the blind in this one.

Didn't you understand what I said? Stop repeating the same bs over and over again. You can easily set your own price if you want to wait longer, the same goes for sellers that sell stuff A LOT below the marketplace you know why? Because they cba to wait around and want their stuff to be sold quickly so instead of playing around with the TP we could just put our buy/sell on GE and wait for it to update 1 day... like there's actually no benefit TP has over GE othen then the fact you can see prices and that's not some sick benefit that I would pick TP over GE. I've never disliked GE and probably never will, you seem to be comparing GE to its current one which is in RS3 what I'm talking about how GE was at the start**** won't roll over only because it did in RS3 AND ONLY BECAUSE OF EOC BS.

So can you please stop repeating the same stuff because it seems like you ain't gaining anything from it other then wasting your own time**** is most likely happening and you just have to deal with it.
Who in the blue hell are you to tell me what to do? Also, what problem is it of yours if I waste my own time or not? Shut it, and refrain from answering.

Now, the only reason people want GE back is because they're too damn lazy, and they want it easy. Make no mistake about it; GE was never a part of 2007. When it came in late 2007, it only contributed to the fall of the game from its 2006-07 glory days. Trade limits were imposed, and we saw the removal of both free trade and Wilderness.

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15-Jan-2015 02:06:55

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2006

Metal Little

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However, all the 2008-14 prods and EOC neophytes forgot about all of that and never experienced what being a real ironman in RS was all about way before Jagex even thought of implementing an ironman mode.

The problem isn't whether or not GE is coming back. The real problem is how it sucks the spirit of real, interactive PTP trading out of the game and how the flawed system is being manipulated by elite clans.

Say whatever you want about the TP. The TP was awesome because it wasn't heavily manipulated and it fostered PTP trading. You clearly saw the offers, and it was your choice what transactions you wanted to engage in. The GE did neither of that except the opposite by destroying PTP trading. The TP was a flagship with lots of potential, but people never gave it a chance to grow. They pulled the kill switch on it rather than seeing the boundless potential it had in favor of a problematic system that wrecked the economy. Setting market prices and relinquishing player control over prices via a flawed system isn't the way to usher OSR into 2015.

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15-Jan-2015 02:07:02 - Last edited on 15-Jan-2015 03:00:30 by Metal Little

momnyomen

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EllingerMain said :
Don't forget the Dev Blog mentions if GE passes we're getting at least one more poll after this for GE tweaks and changes. We don't know what kinds of tweaks and changes they have in mind but we have to be patient.

In conclusion, people need to wait for the other polls and see what will happen instead of trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Relax.

I just wish we could have been given the opportunity to use the trading post at it's full potential before having to say that it's necessary to go straight to a GE.

15-Jan-2015 02:18:30

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2022

apathy risen

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Okay look, I also have played runescape since its classic days. I agree that RS3 and EOC were the absolute crash of runescape. I really had so much joy when I saw that OSRS was coming out, just like they did with CLASSIC WHEN RS3 CAME OUT!!! but heres the thing guys**** was developed for 2007 runescape. to sit there and say that GE was not a part of 2007 is like saying that magic isn't a part of classic. regardless that it wasn't the shell version of runescape, you complain that OSRS is ruined by implementing something that was 2007.... heres some things to help refresh, educate, and to open the eyes of the people saying no. If you truly were there for the runescape addition of GE, then you would remember that it wasn't created with the trade limit, that players were able to do the price setting themselves, it wasn't until the issue raised that people had no idea how much items were worth, that jagex implemented an economy base so new players were able to not get scammed on high price rares, and items. essentially jagex was protecting the then large number of new players thusly creating the trade limit seeing that the price range wasn't working with scams still. THEN, at that point players started to get mad because they couldn't trade for more than what jagex found as the price, and jagex saw that players were using the wilderness to do drop trades and players were getting pked while trying to do that losing millions, jagex got tired of the flood of emails from players so they did the UNSPEAKABLE! they removed wilderness pking. at that point all the players were so mad that they all quit, creating the huge mass quit. NO ONE QUIT BECAUSE GE WAS ADDED AND IF YOU ARE SAYING THAT THATS WHY YOU QUIT YOU WERE ONE OF MAYBE 2% THAT DID! the mass quitting on RS was implemented from removal of wilderness which was the last straw integrated by the trade limit which was integrated to help prevent new players from being scammed, I think jagex has learned their lesson on the

15-Jan-2015 02:32:24

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2022

apathy risen

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....continued....
trade limit they are really just going to be implementing the GE which was considered by 98% of RS players in 2007 the best addition to the game they've made. They aren't adding the trade limit and they aren't removing the wilderness. SO PLEASE! stop trying to make claims many of you weren't there to witness and are just going off of posts from online "history" players of rs because most of those people didn't witness it either.

Classic name: TheGIVER
2007: Futureseal
RS3: Littlemean, Littlemean6, B o inn, kiker50, Futureseal3, apathyrisen, apathy risen
OSRS: apathy risen
EOC: Apathy risen

15-Jan-2015 02:36:33

Dec

2006

Metal Little

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As the inevitable debut of the GE looms, all I can do is provide some suggestions and solutions that I hope Jagex takes into consideration. The GE will be a viable solution only if some or all of the following is done.

1. Make it so that the GE doesn't formulate or set prices (GE values) on items. By doing so, the price can't be easily manipulated, and players won't be coerced into buying or selling at the manipulated "market price" all the time. Also, players will maintain a great degree of control over prices rather than the system telling them a formulated buying or selling price. Instead, the GE or price checker should only provide a price range on an item. That would also eliminate the dreaded hassle of buying or selling at 5% over or under the market price. For example, the price of mind runes would show 3-5 GP instead of 4 GP.

2. Like the TP, the GE should show candidate offers from other players so that players can ultimately decide on the best offer rather than going gung-ho on a totally automated system.

3. Instead of a totally automated system, the GE should have a "Buy from Player X" and "Sell to Player X" option. Afterwards, the money or items can be collected from the collection box or the GE.

4. If players need to price an item, it should be done in the same manner as the GE. It should only include a price range (the minimum and maximum price) without giving an absolute value in a similar fashion as OS Buddy's price checker.

5. The only time the mean price, absolute value, or GE value of an item should be implemented is with Coin Share and Loot Share. Otherwise, buying and selling items should be based on a price range and players' willingness.

6. In the event of a newly-released item, again, no GE-suggested price or market value should be given. It should be entirely up to the players to determine the price range as will all items.

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15-Jan-2015 02:58:10

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