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LegsDay

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I really don't understand why this is such a big problem to solve. You have already come up with a way to scale things without breaking the game.

You can easily cap strength bonus RIGHT NOW, Don';t go even one point higher, ever. Introduce gear with strength bonus, new gear with strength bonus is great and even necessary but CAP it. whatever the current max strength bonus is with a god sword is clearly the most the game can handle, people are already getting rushed to zero and there is simply no need for more damage. If more damage is introduced it will have to be capped on players which feels silly (see WoW and resillience/PvP power for an example of how they messed up big time).

Instead, linearly raise attack and defence bonuses of weapons and armors, you can go as high as you want, there will always be a counter. This is obviously an extreme example. But why does it matter if someone has a 2000 accuracy weapon if the other player has a 2000 defense shield? It makes absolutely no change to core gameplay mechanics. It makes older bosses trivial but it also allows for an almost unlimited stream of bosses and upgrades to come into the game.

I can see pures not liking this too much as it would almost force defense. But this can easily be solved with combat level requirements on the gear.



As for the update:
No requirements, quests have enough incentive to do without this and there is no need for more

Drops? the spirit shields heavily modified. 5 shields one for each defense category.

+80 on the main stat (mage, crush, stab, ranged, slash) and +40 on the others. This stops it from trivializing the DFS and makes all of them useful. (mods can balance this, i pulled these numbers out of my dark place)

25-Jul-2014 14:28:02 - Last edited on 25-Jul-2014 14:28:48 by LegsDay

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Mod Reach said :


Voting down an update in a poll just to spite others who may or may not of voted against an update you wanted is frankly ridiculous and selfish.

We, and you, talk about the game having a future and the strength of our longevity which is embodied within the community that support the game and help shape the game. We can't expect to live for very long when both critical and non-critical updates aren't voted on properly. Instead of wasting your vote to wind up someone else, how about you use it properly and vote on it depending on whether or not you think the needs can benefit from it.

If everyone would think like this i'd be glad to do so but alot of people vote depending on the effect this update will have on them instead of the effect it'll have on the game in general so with that being said I just dont feel like making a gesture and voting for the effect in general but i'll cast a selfish vote, as do most of the people, and vote no against corp and spirit shield

-=-=- PKERS - SAY NO TO CORP! PVM'ERS DIDN'T WANT US HAVING BH? THEY AINT GETTING CORP -=-=-

25-Jul-2014 14:29:02

Flaming Red

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I think the corporeal beast should drop the original spirit shields with the same stats. These shields aren't overpowered as some people seem to think (imo). Besides, they were introduced in 08, which isn't too much of a leap from 07.

Like Mini Finbarr said on the first page, the corporeal beast should drop something as strong as spirit shields to make it worth your while. It takes quite a bit of effort to kill corp beast, especially without turmoil and overloads. At least give the pvmers a reason to kill the corporeal beast.

The shields will probably be extremely expensive. Honestly, if you have the money to buy one of these shields, it better be worth it, don't you think?

As for the requirement, I feel that you should have a lot of quest points to be able to access corp's lair.

25-Jul-2014 14:31:53 - Last edited on 25-Jul-2014 14:33:00 by Flaming Red

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@GoinDownKid,
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I've posted an argument against the current polling system. You are a prime example of the minority bias our polls suffer from. I really wish Jagex would have a serious discussion on lowering the poll percentage to 60-65%. Unfortunately, I do not believe a poll about lowering the polls is something you can just do. It must be a staff decision, in my opinion.

With that said; I am back on topic. Sorry again you are upset about BH

25-Jul-2014 14:32:43

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1uz 6 speed said :
Mod Reach said :


Voting down an update in a poll just to spite others who may or may not of voted against an update you wanted is frankly ridiculous and selfish.

We, and you, talk about the game having a future and the strength of our longevity which is embodied within the community that support the game and help shape the game. We can't expect to live for very long when both critical and non-critical updates aren't voted on properly. Instead of wasting your vote to wind up someone else, how about you use it properly and vote on it depending on whether or not you think the needs can benefit from it.

If everyone would think like this i'd be glad to do so but alot of people vote depending on the effect this update will have on them instead of the effect it'll have on the game in general so with that being said I just dont feel like making a gesture and voting for the effect in general but i'll cast a selfish vote, as do most of the people, and vote no against corp and spirit shield

-=-=- PKERS - SAY NO TO CORP! PVM'ERS DIDN'T WANT US HAVING BH? THEY AINT GETTING CORP -=-=-

This is soo sad. If ppl might think like this, i might quit runescape. I don't feel like playing a game where ppl can't play together, wether they are skillers****'ers or pvm'ers.

25-Jul-2014 14:34:14

Wacky Seed

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LegsDay said :
I really don't understand why this is such a big problem to solve. You have already come up with a way to scale things without breaking the game.

You can easily cap strength bonus RIGHT NOW, Don';t go even one point higher, ever. Introduce gear with strength bonus, new gear with strength bonus is great and even necessary but CAP it. whatever the current max strength bonus is with a god sword is clearly the most the game can handle, people are already getting rushed to zero and there is simply no need for more damage. If more damage is introduced it will have to be capped on players which feels silly (see WoW and resillience/PvP power for an example of how they messed up big time).

Instead, linearly raise attack and defence bonuses of weapons and armors, you can go as high as you want, there will always be a counter. This is obviously an extreme example. But why does it matter if someone has a 2000 accuracy weapon if the other player has a 2000 defense shield? It makes absolutely no change to core gameplay mechanics. It makes older bosses trivial but it also allows for an almost unlimited stream of bosses and upgrades to come into the game.

I can see pures not liking this too much as it would almost force defense. But this can easily be solved with combat level requirements on the gear.



As for the update:
No requirements, quests have enough incentive to do without this and there is no need for more

Drops? the spirit shields heavily modified. 5 shields one for each defense category.

+80 on the main stat (mage, crush, stab, ranged, slash) and +40 on the others. This stops it from trivializing the DFS and makes all of them useful. (mods can balance this, i pulled these numbers out of my dark place)

I disagree with everything said here, that defense and stuff sounds to eoc and confuses things, no thank you!

Also no requirements, is that because your stats are so low? I want to high level content!

25-Jul-2014 14:36:26

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1uz 6 speed said :
Mod Reach said :


Voting down an update in a poll just to spite others who may or may not of voted against an update you wanted is frankly ridiculous and selfish.

We, and you, talk about the game having a future and the strength of our longevity which is embodied within the community that support the game and help shape the game. We can't expect to live for very long when both critical and non-critical updates aren't voted on properly. Instead of wasting your vote to wind up someone else, how about you use it properly and vote on it depending on whether or not you think the needs can benefit from it.

If everyone would think like this i'd be glad to do so but alot of people vote depending on the effect this update will have on them instead of the effect it'll have on the game in general so with that being said I just dont feel like making a gesture and voting for the effect in general but i'll cast a selfish vote, as do most of the people, and vote no against corp and spirit shield

-=-=- PKERS - SAY NO TO CORP! PVM'ERS DIDN'T WANT US HAVING BH? THEY AINT GETTING CORP -=-=-

Maybe so, but if everyone continued the trend (or lisetned to what you've got in your apparent signature) instead of trying to approach each poll with both an open mind and a sense of preservation, we might see a lot less conflict and a little more honesty.

To clarify, I'm a fan of well designed and interesting content. I've been an advocate for BH since early last year and have spoken about it openly, honestly and publicly. I'm disappointed in where it currently stands and am doing what I can, talking to who I need to and gathering feedback to make sure we get it right. As a PvM'er myself, I certainly don't want to revoke BH access from PK'ers. How about you share some of the same love back. -----
@JagexReach

25-Jul-2014 14:36:32 - Last edited on 25-Jul-2014 14:37:09 by Mod Reach

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Flaming Red said :
I think the corporeal beast should drop the original spirit shields with the same stats. These shields aren't overpowered as some people seem to think (imo). Besides, they were introduced in 08, which isn't too much of a leap from 07.

Like Mini Finbarr said on the first page, the corporeal beast should drop something as strong as spirit shields to make it worth your while. It takes quite a bit of effort to kill corp beast, especially without turmoil and overloads. At least give the pvmers a reason to kill the corporeal beast.

The shields will probably be extremely expensive. Honestly, if you have the money to buy one of these shields, it better be worth it, don't you think?

As for the requirement, I feel that you should have a lot of quest points to be able to access corp's lair.

I'd kill it just cuz it has a rare drop, no matter what stats it has or how much i can make. Just because it's an achievement of getting a (super) rare drop from a boss.

You say if you wanne spend the money on it, you deserve the stats. Well if the stats are lower, the prices will be lower so no problem with that unless you were thinking about the money you could make and not about being able to buy it.

25-Jul-2014 14:37:14 - Last edited on 25-Jul-2014 14:40:08 by 1000 elites

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