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PiraBob

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My point is that it's ambiguous. Like, sure, it was OP to get a lot of exp and bonus exp through treasure hunter relatively quickly, but there's so much OP in this game that isn't deemed bug abuse by Jagex, and Jagex rarely ever responds if you ask stuff on these forums for clarification, it's not all that clear when it's in a grey area. Especially in this case. Who put that 50% discount on keys in the oddment store? Jagex did. Or some algorithm that Jagex made and was under their control and responsibility. And why would you put a discount in a store? Because you intend players to buy the thing you're discounting. It's a bit of a leap to then claim it should have been obvious buying keys wasn't intended behaviour. Sure, it gained net profit. But I'm not sure why that automatically makes it more broken than other things that are also profitable in this game. Prif pickpocketing for example has essentially free useful loot on top of huge Thieving exp gains, at no costs whatsoever. You can just do it for as much as you want.

On the other hand, some of the things I mentioned earlier, like alching while fire surging or prayer flashing for infinite prayer points, I highly doubt those were actually intended behaviours by Jagex. Players discovered them, and Jagex just didn't really care about it.

I can still name several of things from today's Runescape that I have no idea if they're bug abuse or not. Like using Superheat form in world 70 Artisan's workshop to improve smithing efficiency. People use pulse cores so much there, and if you get a prayer level boost through pulse cores you also recover lost prayer points, so you can actually keep using the Superheat form indefinitely if you have sufficient prayer bonus (say, Dragon Rider cape, Falador Shield 4, and Dragon Rider amulet or Grace of the Elves) without needing prayer potions or going to an altar or something. Is that bug abuse, because I'm net gaining prayer points? I honestly don't know for sure. Bob

17-Sep-2020 22:25:34 - Last edited on 17-Sep-2020 22:38:59 by PiraBob

Dilbert2001
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@PiraBob

I don't think prayer regeneration in Artisan Workshop and the likes are classified as bugs as free prayer point is not really a game changing feature, at least hardly as significant as free unlimited membership INTENDED for freeloaders using Bonds. ;)

The prayer "bug" you mentioned does almost no harm to anybody, so no foul and no fix pending probably. The impact of a "bug"/"exploit", plays a role in the determination of whether it is a "bug", I believe.

17-Sep-2020 23:52:48

200m Defence

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PiraBob, you're just rambling on now.... everything you just wrote in that post isn't even close to a bug abuse or exploit.

If you can't see the difference between what the long run of people sitting in 1 spot being able to easily multiply their the keys on no end to millions of keys and the the things that you're listing where you need levels, gp, ect.... to do.....

Can a lvl 3 get into prif? can a lvl 3 use all those prayers? can a lvl 3 use those spells? can a lvl 3 wear all those items you listed?
No, and if they could then they'd be somehow using a explot/bug that was letting them be able to.

could a brand new lvl 3 take part in the mxt the abuse and gain millions of keys to be able to gain millions of free xp/items?
Yes they could. like I said if u literally can't see the difference, then wow........ Don't trust any pc's listed, any advice or talks between posts on ID forums anymore , the Manips are let loose, especially the main one with 15+ accounts posting acting as different people.. do your own research

18-Sep-2020 12:45:03 - Last edited on 18-Sep-2020 12:53:16 by 200m Defence

PiraBob

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You didn't get millions of keys, that's just bs. It took quite a lot of time opening up the boxes every run and converting prizes to oddments etc and you could only buy 100 keys at a time. I'm fairly sure training summoning during dxp in Amlodd hour is faster exp than opening up chests, especially since a lot of the exp from chests is bonus exp or in the form of proteans that still needs to be grinded to become actual exp. Also, a level 3 doesn't get nearly as much exp from the stars and lamps as high level players. Also remember that if people exchanged, say, 700 keys, they didn't actually get rewards for 700 chests. Most of those were just turned back into oddments to buy other keys. The net benefit was far lower than just the number of boxes opened. Bob

18-Sep-2020 15:00:16 - Last edited on 18-Sep-2020 15:09:47 by PiraBob

Dilbert2001
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200m Defence said :


could a brand new lvl 3 take part in the mxt the abuse and gain millions of keys to be able to gain millions of free xp/items?


No, because the illegitimately gained xp and items would be rolled back if it was an abuse. Jagex made that statement clearly already. And looking forward, we can tell Jagex is stepping up exploit detections, otherwise we will not be seeing posts like "Banning sltscape now"

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18-Sep-2020 16:35:10 - Last edited on 18-Sep-2020 16:46:12 by Dilbert2001

200m Defence

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Dilbert2001 said :
200m Defence said :


could a brand new lvl 3 take part in the mxt the abuse and gain millions of keys to be able to gain millions of free xp/items?


No, because the illegitimately gained xp and items would be rolled back if it was an abuse.

Pls read what you even just wrote in your response lmfaorofl............. you said no and then continued to admit they could take part in it.


Dilbert2001 said :
And looking forward, we can tell Jagex is stepping up exploit detections, otherwise we will not be seeing posts like "Banning sltscape now"

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That thread means nothing to explot detections, he's asking if people's alts were being banned for taking part in the shadow gem/go promo. he didnt even post any reasons why he was even asking, he hasn't stated if its even his alts being banned or someone else's. they could easily be cracking down on forums manips too and finally banning those alts. nobody knows what that randoms thread is even about. Don't trust any pc's listed, any advice or talks between posts on ID forums anymore , the Manips are let loose, especially the main one with 15+ accounts posting acting as different people.. do your own research

19-Sep-2020 12:33:16 - Last edited on 19-Sep-2020 13:02:15 by 200m Defence

200m Defence

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PiraBob said :
You didn't get millions of keys, that's just bs. It took quite a lot of time opening up the boxes every run and converting prizes to oddments etc and you could only buy 100 keys at a time. I'm fairly sure training summoning during dxp in Amlodd hour is faster exp than opening up chests, especially since a lot of the exp from chests is bonus exp or in the form of proteans that still needs to be grinded to become actual exp. Also, a level 3 doesn't get nearly as much exp from the stars and lamps as high level players. Also remember that if people exchanged, say, 700 keys, they didn't actually get rewards for 700 chests. Most of those were just turned back into oddments to buy other keys. The net benefit was far lower than just the number of boxes opened.


Its a exaggerated response to show how badly the explot could have been, and time is nothing when you're sitting in 1 spot not moving just clicking. And then yet again your rambling on with that that isn't even on the same topic as the post made. can a lvl 3 enter priff? no they cant, and what form bxp they got doesn't mean anything they still are getting a huge amount of free xp/items from a explot.
1: still that's thousand apon thousand of free oddments gained, weather they would've continued to use them to continue the process to just keep doubling keys or just kept doubling up on oddments which
2: you're obviously clueless about oddments because their gp worth is a minimum of 10k/gp Don't trust any pc's listed, any advice or talks between posts on ID forums anymore , the Manips are let loose, especially the main one with 15+ accounts posting acting as different people.. do your own research

19-Sep-2020 12:45:44 - Last edited on 19-Sep-2020 12:48:25 by 200m Defence

Dilbert2001
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@200m Defence

"No" refers to the bug abusers can't keep what they illegitimately obtain, not that they couldn't abuse a bug. If you don't understand simple logics, I certainly can't help you! :)

Jagex has already put up a statement clearly specifying only 61 accounts were banned and rollback for gaining over 20 mil xp. It clearly and directly rebutted OP's claim that people gained over 60 mil xp and weren't rollback. It is simply crystal clear.

"61 accounts were identified as either having purchased an excessive amount of keys (between 500-2,000) with accompanying XP gain (over 20m XP), or having purchased over 2,000 keys with Oddments along with an unbalanced key/spend ratio.
These accounts have received 14-day bans for 'bug abuse - moderate', with accompanying XP rollback.'


https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/update-discounted-treasure-hunter-key-and-oddments-exploit-1st-september#_ga=2.40998242.1179158484.1600530395-1900759948.1600530395

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