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NinjaofPie
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I Firmly believe that the actions of temp banning players after the recent MTX abuse was not enough, i believe the accounts of all the people who abused this promotion should have been rolled back without hesitation.

The true value of the damage that they did is only becoming apparent today as there is a 75% stars sale on in the Oddments store.

Not only did these players get away with 10's of thousands of proteans // massive lamp exp gains and the rest ( pulse cores, silverhawks etc) but today i have witnessed a large number of players bragging about 60m to up to 150m in bexp gained.

It is completely and utterly unfair on the rest of the community that these players have taken advantage of a obvious abuse of mechanics and have been allowed to walk away with it.

If a gold dupe was done you would rollback and remove the gold from the game.

While this is a different situation i do firmly believe that a severe unfair advantage was gained by abusing this mechanic and the people who have done it and been allowed to get away with millions of gained bexp and exp boosting related items has created an unfair playing field.

14-Sep-2020 02:04:52

Dilbert2001
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The banned accounts also got their xp and items rolled back already.

The 75% stars sale in the Oddments store is not an exploit as stars can't be turned into TH keys at will.

14-Sep-2020 17:51:00 - Last edited on 14-Sep-2020 17:56:59 by Dilbert2001

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16-Sep-2020 02:36:39

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16-Sep-2020 06:49:54

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One of the removed posts contained some on-topic discussion, so it is quoted below, with the portions of flaming removed, to allow the actual discussion to continue on track:
Dilbert2001 said :
NinjaofPie said :
Dilbert2001 said :
The banned accounts also got their xp and items rolled back already.

The 75% stars sale in the Oddments store is not an exploit as stars can't be turned into TH keys at will.


Not calling the stars the exploit im just saying the people who abused the TH promotion to gains thousands of oddments for nothing are now cashing it in and walking away with 60m-150m + of bexp .

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Not all the accounts were rolled back. Most got a slap on the wrist and a two day ban which they were more than happy to deal with as they know they abused the system and have ended up out in front.


The ones that weren't rolled back did not abuse the the TH promotions to gain thousands of oddments for nothing.

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16-Sep-2020 06:51:51 - Last edited on 16-Sep-2020 06:54:59 by Tren

PiraBob

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Idk why it really matters, it's not like exp means anything in this game or that it's any different to players just buying a thousand keys with their rich daddy's credit card. Bug abuse has always been part of this game, it's always been ambiguous what is abuse and what isn't, and this one was very much a grey area. Like, I never got banned for the infinite prayer exploit back in the days, where you didn't use prayer points for the first game tick a prayer was active so with flashing them you had infinite prayer, Jagex even said that wasn't a bug. And I went through dozens of slayer tasks using my prayers without using prayer points (and because protection prayers were 100% protection it basically amounted to immortality). I never was banned back in the days either for alching while fire surging steel dragons. For its time it was insane magic exp and it was insane that you could use alchemy spells while also casting combat spells at the same time, not losing any time on either one (I think you can still do this nowadays, although abilities make the timing on combat spells a lot more complicated compared to legacy auto-attacks).

Probably a bit too late to roll back anything now, it's been weeks since it happened. People have sold stuff they gained from TH, used their proteans, and so on. It'd just be more of a complicated mess than it's worth tbh, unless you want to roll the entire accounts back to the state before that promo, which'd also erase a lot of "fair" gains.
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16-Sep-2020 18:03:42 - Last edited on 16-Sep-2020 18:04:12 by PiraBob

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PiraBob said :
Idk why it really matters, it's not like exp means anything in this game or that it's any different to players just buying a thousand keys with their rich daddy's credit card. Bug abuse has always been part of this game, it's always been ambiguous what is abuse and what isn't, and this one was very much a grey area. Like, I never got banned for the infinite prayer exploit back in the days, where you didn't use prayer points for the first game tick a prayer was active so with flashing them you had infinite prayer, Jagex even said that wasn't a bug. And I went through dozens of slayer tasks using my prayers without using prayer points (and because protection prayers were 100% protection it basically amounted to immortality). I never was banned back in the days either for alching while fire surging steel dragons. For its time it was insane magic exp and it was insane that you could use alchemy spells while also casting combat spells at the same time, not losing any time on either one (I think you can still do this nowadays, although abilities make the timing on combat spells a lot more complicated compared to legacy auto-attacks).

Probably a bit too late to roll back anything now, it's been weeks since it happened. People have sold stuff they gained from TH, used their proteans, and so on. It'd just be more of a complicated mess than it's worth tbh, unless you want to roll the entire accounts back to the state before that promo, which'd also erase a lot of "fair" gains.


the 2 things you listed above are actual things, and not bugs that's why you were't ever banned.

they're called pray flicking and 2nd one doesn't have a name but it's high alching while casting - yea, not bugs/exploits.
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17-Sep-2020 14:15:18

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

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The difference between an exploit and a fair play is an exploit is not what Jagex intends the players to do. They don't intend us to gain tens of millions of free xp during the 50% off TH keys through oddments store so the exploiters were punished. However, the others who participated in the promotions under a reasonable threshold set by Jagex gained xp from fair play as it was Jagex intended.

Over 9000 different players can have over 9000 different opinions on what is fair and what is an exploit. For instance, a player paying for one month of subscription out of his own bank account can say allowing free players to get 9000 months of membership for paying absolutely no real money through Bond is unfair to him. However, it is obviously not an exploit as it is an intended game feature.

17-Sep-2020 15:50:06

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